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Re: Open carry
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2016, 10:22:19 AM »
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            I feel that most members who have posted on this topic, have shown good common sense when giving their views on the matter.  We all learn by experience, and it does seem to me that G-Dog, has had an unpleasant experience when carrying a weapon openly.  Bear in mind he lives in Californistan, where the Liberals have held somewhat despotic sway concerning THEIR version of what the 2nd. Ammendment means.  G-Dog is an Attorney, and just maybe he was hassled by a rather overbearing LEO.  One is never keen to repeat such an experience, and this may be the reason he spoke out so openly in this instance!  I have worn a badge in four states, Nebraska, Arkansas, New Mexico & Texas, and the cops DO tend to check on a person who they feel is carrying a weapon.  A colleague of mine in Texas went up to a Gentleman in the Local Dairy Queen, as he had noticed a holstered Chief's Special on the guy's waistband, when he  reached for his Billfold.  The Officer stood very close to the guy and said,"You got a badge to go with that gun?"  The man looked a little surprised, then produced an F.B.I.Badge!  Billy just smiled and said, Thank you Sir, Have a nice day! 
            I have NEVER had any officer EVER get the slightest bit nasty, over the fact that I was carrying a pair of eight-inch barrelled Remington's in Plain Sight!  Only on very rare occasions has any officer ever noticed that  I was carrying a pistol since it became legal to carry concealed without the necessity of obtaining a permit. to do so.  Only once, when stopped by a state Police Officer, (I was driving a car of a similar type , to a robber who had stuck up a 7-Eleven Store!) I had read that it was considered good Manners to tell any officer who pulled one over, to, "Inform the officer that one was armed." He thanked me, asked me where the weapon was, and I held open my Safari Vest, and showed him it was under my left arm.  He smiled and said,"Thank you, Sir!" 
            When, prior to 2008, I carried the Eight inch Remingtons in Plain sight, the only times any Cop questioned me was to enquire what the weapons WERE! Most had not seen anyone carrying pistols that long in a Coon's Age!
            A good friend of mine, known to everyone in our Gunfighter Group as "Big Ed." (He was well over six feet, and weighted about 250 Lbs!) was once unwisely "Picked on," by a very foolish young Hispanic Gentleman.  Ed was carrying some of his wares into a building in Mesa, where a gun show was in progress.  As always Ed was wearing 19th Century Cowboy rig, and had a holstered 1873 Colt strapped on.  I don't know whether the guy was drunk, or just terminally stupid, but he began to threaten Ed, by pulling apart his jacket, and making suspicious moves toward a holstered 9mm.  Ed just grabbed the guy, picked him clear off the ground, and threw him headfirst through the passenger window of the guys own car. ( Which was closed at the time!!)  When the Police arrived, they were delighted with Ed. For the unconscious Idiot was found to have several outstanding Warrants pending! Ed's hand was shaken very thoroughly by most of the cops who turned up on the scene!  They'd been looking for the guy for some time, and Ed had handed him to them on a plate!!!  We all had a real good laugh at that one!
            I cannot think of the actual site address, but online there is a list of all 50 states, with precise details of what all their respective laws are, concerning the carrying of Handguns, Rifles and other long guns, It may have been posted by the N.R.A., but I am not certain of this.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2016, 02:17:15 PM »
Hi Johnnie – glad you are back and survived the fumigation experience. 

Hey – Correction:  I’ve never had any problem with open carry because I never publically open carry.  I can legally carry concealed in the States and have done that since I was 23.  To my way of thinking OC surrenders an important tactical advantage and draws unnecessary and undesirable attention. 

A few years ago the status of unrestricted open carry was in question here and many wanabe fantasy gunmen were wearing iron for what seemed to be purely theatrical purposes.  Most typically, a Glock, Ja.  It was all the rage for a time. Some of those clowns even swaggered. A few of those people made me very uncomfortable. 

In rural CA Counties some people OC but have the look of folks who have gone to the trouble of getting licensed. Unrestricted OC would not work too well here In Cali … wrong urban demographics altogether for that sort of thing.

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Re: Open carry
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2016, 06:19:32 PM »
Right now here in Idaho there's a bill being presented to the Governor, passed by the State Senate, to allow concealed carry without a permit throughout the state. Right now we are restricted from carrying concealed  in cities (without a permit), although legal anywhere else.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2016, 10:27:52 PM »
tickles me how those opposed to OC feel the same mass compulsion to belittle, mock, and cast aspersions upon people that DO OC.........almost as though they're jealous of the few that aren't afraid to exercise their rights.

it's been proven time and again that this "tactical advantage blah blah blah" bunk is just so much BS in real world situations.

I work and shop in the 2nd most dangerous city in my state (according to most recent violent crime statistics)....and can legally OC, so I sometimes do.
more than once it has prevented a bad situation, and one time having the draw on a young fellow that had his firearm concealed, I'm certain kept me from being shot and robbed by a gang of thugs........probably killed and tossed into the local river.

but i'll hush now as I'm just beating my dead horse forehead against a brick wall.

my apologies to the OP for the mess I've caused.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2016, 11:20:23 PM »
.........almost as though they're jealous of the few that aren't afraid to exercise their rights.

it's been proven time and again that this "tactical advantage blah blah blah" bunk is just so much BS in real world situations.

If you would care to cite some authority for that statement it would probably be useful to review.

Jealous?  Why would anyone be jealous of OC people? 
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2016, 02:33:25 PM »
This issue of open verses concealed carry will never resolved.  That is because of the simple fact that it is unresolvable-- One cannot know in advance which carry mode will have turned out, in the end, to have been the best for the situation.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2016, 05:39:40 PM »
The tactical whatnot probably can't be resolved, and I don't think in terms of tactics for going down the store anyway. Arguments could be made both ways (although I see the element of surprise as something which pertains to combat, not self-defense).

Sure enough, if open carry was legal here, I'd carry when going to the shooting range and such, or when going somewhere in nature (well, you sort of can now, but only during a hunt). It'd be just plain handy in the first case and potentially useful in the second. However, it isn't. I have no wish to go through all the legal hoops, of which there are many over here, to get a license to carry concealed, nor do I want to risk having my firearms confiscated and face a 1000$ fine for carrying illegally. The way I see it, outside of the home it's pretty hard to justify shooting in most cases and the possibility to avoid trouble generally exists, and we just don't have the crazed killers like they do in the states just killing people randomly. Inside the home, of course, it's a different matter, both practically and legally speaking.

Of course, different place, different situation. For the most part things are pretty quiet out here if you're not willingly engaging in highly risky behaviour.

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Re: Open carry
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2016, 06:52:08 PM »
In summer I open carry and only twice in five years has anyone even commented on it.  Once a guy asked me if I was a cop. After I told him no I explained to him how to get a concealed carry permit.  The second time I was asked what kind of gun I was carrying (at the time I had my .455 Webley on my hip.) .
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2016, 09:24:47 PM »
I have no problem with those that OC or CC that is their right and privilege where it is not restricted by some arcane law.
I would say most of us agree that most gun control laws do nothing to stop a determined criminal from obtaining, carrying and using one.  They primarily interfere and restrict a legal user in some way.
I can see having a gun free zone around a school, if you also have a way to guarantee a "criminal" or "crazy" won't be able to get to them, or a hospital, or any other venues. But you can't.
I'm concerned about teachers carrying, because if one of the kids should get control of the gun, and then just start shooting. So where do we draw the line there?
I also don't think most schools need armed cops walking the halls, but we have them anyway.
But society has changed since most of us were kids.

Some people think that if several patrons had been armed in the Aurora theater shooting, there would of been less dead.
Actually just the opposite would be more likely.
It was dark or at least quite dim. Acoustics would of made it hard to pin point the shooter.
Then add in the confusion people starting to scream and trying to get away.
Then add in several untrained shooters, starting to shoot adding to muzzle flashes coming from different areas, and add adrenalin and fear.
So  like another above, self defense is a very fine  line to walk when not on your property.
I again fall back to situational awareness.
Be better to avoid the trouble if possible to begin with.
As I said have no problem in general with anybody that carries.
But I tend to give them wide berth if I don't know them. Because they could be that one hothead that will draw and shoot just because somebody grabbed the last TV on sale at Walmart or some such.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2016, 10:31:11 AM »
this is about concealed carry was in the news. Down in Texas I think it was.
man and wife was in a domestic dispute outside Walgreens.
She worked there he was in Army I think.
he pulled a gun shot at her feet twice, hitting her once.

A good samaratin tried to stop him from leaving ( he was a former Marine and CC) and was pointing his gun.
bad guy stopped truck, got out and pulled his gun again  and shot the good guy.

See what happens when you stick your neck out for people and don't fully know what is happening, and don't use caution  / precaution to protect yourself first.

Good guy died at the scene. Bad guy turned himself in 2 hr later.

And so many without real proper training want to CC and then be Rambo or John Wayne and step in to save the day.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2016, 11:47:38 AM »
Tragic

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Re: Open carry
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2016, 12:32:29 PM »
bad guy stopped truck, got out and pulled his gun again  and shot the good guy.
Tragic
And stupid.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2016, 12:55:13 PM »
bad guy stopped truck, got out and pulled his gun again  and shot the good guy.
Tragic
And stupid.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2016, 01:20:44 PM »
Yep, true dat.

Whether he had exchanged shots with the perp or not, once the dead intervener pulled his gun he was definitely fully engaged in a gun fight.  He seems to have overlooked that rather important aspect of the encounter.  Never let them get back in the vehicle – it’s a reasonable and necessary precaution. 

The poor guy should have just taken the license number and called the cops.
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Re: Open carry
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2016, 01:49:08 PM »

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Yes, stupidity always ends in tragedy

What a marvelous epitaph for the Obama Administration!

CO is open carry except in Denver. I do not have a CCP and do not at present intend to get one. Not of interest to me at this time. I open carry when up in the mountains, riding or hiking, and frequently when out with the dog load a couple of 45 Colt shot shells because my otherwise intelligent dog takes an unhealthy interest in snakes. I carry either my R&S conversion or a Schofield in a full flap holster and have had no comments to date. Sometimes walking in the mountains I carry a Rossi 92 carbine in 45 Colt - what a handy little rifle. I always carry when offroading.

I live in the People's Democratic Socialistic Paradise of Boulder County, so there's not much open carry but there is lots of limp wristed, hand wringing upper middle class and trustafarian angst, so probably best anyway. But I see folks open carry in Weld and Larimer Counties without much seeming notice being taken of it.

It is my opinion, no more - no less, that open carry in an urban or densely suburban area is probably unnecessarily provocative. The soccer moms are going to freak and the hipsters are going to squirm and very, very few of them are going to say "well, that is his her right, dammit."  But, happily, it's still a nominally free country.
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