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Offline Tom-ADC

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Re: sharps
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2014, 04:55:56 PM »
Charlie Hahn sells paper tubes in different sizes, you just glue them to the bullet fill and cap off the end.
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Re: sharps
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2014, 08:07:00 PM »
I hate buying something that I can't use indefinitely             like Charlies tubes

Do I do bulk  or paper  or brass cartridges.
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Re: sharps
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2014, 03:04:19 AM »
I just use loose powder. I got the ringtail mold thinking I would make paper but I remember how tedious it was making paper cartridges for revolvers so haven't done it yet. The brass tubes would be easier but they don't hold enough powder for me.
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Re: sharps
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2014, 01:33:31 PM »
When I had the Sile percussion 54, I used loose powder in it too. I was always going to make up some paper, but those 'round tuits were scarce.....again! (?^

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Re: sharps
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2014, 01:35:50 PM »
My Sharps are listed a little further down on this topic, look for a Sharps topic started by mazo kid if interested.

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Re: sharps
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2014, 04:11:42 PM »
I just use loose powder. I got the ringtail mold thinking I would make paper but I remember how tedious it was making paper cartridges for revolvers so haven't done it yet. The brass tubes would be easier but they don't hold enough powder for me.
That's why I bought a mini lathe from Harbor Freight. So I could open them up a bit  I think the brass walls are way too thick
Will take off about .010 on one and see.
Been way too busy to sit down and do it, but I am slowly catching up.
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Re: sharps
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2014, 10:49:47 PM »
...Been way too busy to sit down and do it, but I am slowly catching up.

You know, if you weren't so danged busy you could get some things done!
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Re: sharps
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2014, 09:54:36 AM »
yeah I know. Want to trade places?  I'd like a slow leisurely lifestyle for a change!
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Re: sharps
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2016, 04:44:07 AM »
DD, did those brass tubes work out for you?

I've been thinking about a 1859 Pedersoli Sharps (Infantry version with double set trigger) this fall. The idea of using brass tubes very much appeals to me, and I have a machinist friend who has a shop and can widen them if necessary. Do they work 'as advertized'?

Brass tubes seem like a much handier way to load them then paper cartridges. Do they help with fouling?
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Re: sharps
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2016, 07:43:05 AM »
I have a 63 business rifle and the main thing I don't like about it is it does not have double set triggers and the trigger pull is atrocious. I did finally get around to making paper cartridges for it and they're not as tedious to make as revolver cartridges are.
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Re: sharps
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2016, 08:03:04 AM »
Things made a drastic change here last year.
I ended up selling the lathe and never got around to enlarging the cases.

The one issue I have is there is no way to extract them easily if they get stuck.
So I use the ramrod from my muzzle loader to push them out if needed.

The smith uses the same cartridge but about 3/4" of the case protrudes from the chamber.
So you got something to grab ahold of.
I should say similar brass cartridge. the smith is necked down at the back end whereas the Sharps is a straight wall.

But yes they work quite well
Bulk powder in the Sharps is 80 gr ffg  or fffg.  The cases about 55.
But you compress it slightly seating the bullet so it develops a bit more oomph that way.
Also I gently tap the case gentling the powder a bit as I load them. I get around 60 gr that way.
Kind a neat all you need is powder a spoon or flask to fill the case with ( can't over fill) and a small plastic mallet (unlike Johnnie bfh) to seat the bullet.  Then dip lube if you want.

I usually cover the flash hole with a piece of cellophane tape and peel off before shooting.
keeps powder grains from trickling out, and stops moisture from getting in.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2016, 06:04:05 PM by DD4lifeusmc »
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Re: sharps
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2016, 09:59:49 AM »
Mine holds 110 grains of loose powder but I use 80 which worked out perfect since with a paper cartridge 80 is all you can use with a ring tail bullet.
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Re: sharps
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2016, 03:09:08 PM »
Very informative, thanks!

Me and another shooter from my club were eyeing a couple of 1859 'Berdan' Sharps with double set trigger in .54 caliber. Nice to have some information before spending 1500$ on a rifle :)


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Re: sharps
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2016, 06:06:06 PM »
Mine could very well hold more bulk. Don't know as never tried it.
They had a small shoot here yesterday, but the temps dropped and it got cool.
And I wasn't ready so maybe next month I can be all prepared with several guns.
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Re: sharps
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2016, 12:27:04 PM »
Over the years I have had, and sold, a few Sharps rifles; all were repros. My first was the Sile percussion. Then there were 2 Shiloh 1873s, a 45-110 and a 45-70, and a Pedersoli 40-65. Oh, and the Navy Arms '74 that I sold to the good Captain here. Yeah, the Shiloh rifles were worth more, but I really miss the Pedersoli 40-65; that was a tack driver and easy on the shoulder.  I still have an original carbine 50-70, a Pedersoli 45-90, and a Shiloh 40-90. Those will probably be my last Sharps rifles.