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Offline Battis

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Re: BP long guns
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2013, 10:49:12 AM »
You posted that you use a  Lee 429- 310 mold.  I see that Lee makes a 430-310.  If my gun measures .429, the 430-310 should be fine, right?
The 430-310 sells for about $20 (2 cavity).  Buffalo Arms sells a Vetterli mold for $140.

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2013, 11:59:45 AM »
Why do breech loaders have half cock facility??? What's the thought about that?

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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2013, 12:47:14 PM »
Len, if you're talking about the percussion breech loaders, it is so you can cap them and carry. The cartridge guns usually don't have a separate safety so the half cock notch is used.

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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2013, 12:50:25 PM »
Mazo,
does this mean, that on half cock, the cap cannot be ignited by the hammer ???

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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2013, 03:57:50 PM »
Well, if everything is in proper working order, then yes! You should NOT be able to pull the trigger when on half cock, the hammer should NOT fall.

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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2013, 04:23:26 AM »
And, at the same time if you were to drop it on the hammer ( stop thinking about testing it ) the cap shouldn't ignite either.
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2013, 08:01:14 AM »
my original quote reply apparently did not show up.
In rifles / muskets/ shotguns and persussion cap single shot pistols    some flintlocks
Pull the hammer back to full cock, to use a nipple pick in the event the nipple should get clogged, or to put a cap on the nipple.
1/2 cock to put a cap on the nipple.
1/2 cock is meant as a safety. If it is in good working order the trigger should be disabled so it won't go off accidentally.
This would be the safe way to carry a Long arm fully loaded and capped. Also dropping it in such a way as to land on the hammer
should also prevent the hammer falling and striking the cap on the nipple.
However a bad 1/2 cock engagement, such as worn or chipped parts is where we get the old adage:
GOING OFF 1/2 COCKED!

In a revolver Percussion cap black powder.
the 1/2 cock acts as a safety as in the above while loading and in the ready preparing to shoot.
In 1/2 cock the cylinder is released to spin so each chamber can be loaded with powder, projectile and then capped.
The trigger is disabled to prevent accidental discharge.
Pull back to full cock, squeeze trigger to fire.
Or if not going to be shooting for sometime. Gently lower the hammer down into a safety notch in between the chambers.
You may have to manually rotate the cylinder for this alignment.
In revolvers without the safety notch. Two accepted ways. Leave hammer resting on a nipple. the chamber is loaded, but no cap on the nipple.
Or the preferred way, no load in the chamber and no cap on the nipple.
For a iffy situation where a warning shot may be appropriate and desired, I mark one nipple with red paint. Make it the first to align for firing when cocked. Capped and fully loaded but with no ball and a wad and wax bullet.
However, now days I consider my first shot as meant to be deadly and your warning shot.

In some modern single actions, you still have the 1/2 cock on revolvers that don't have a swing out cylinder.
1/2 cock allows you to open the loading gate and spin the cylinder manually to insert cartridges in the chambers.
My old Ruger 44 mag is setup this way.
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Re: BP long guns
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2013, 10:03:58 AM »
Well, if everything is in proper working order, then yes! You should NOT be able to pull the trigger when on half cock, the hammer should NOT fall.
Thanks for the lesson Mazo. I dismantled the Smith today and found the notches to be rather similar. Did some filing to make the 1/2 cock notch deeper and broader. After about four re- and dismantlings, it worked out all right.

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« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2013, 10:07:08 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2013, 10:09:10 AM »
And, at the same time if you were to drop it on the hammer ( stop thinking about testing it ) the cap shouldn't ignite either.
Thanks for your concern, but I won't test it!

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« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2013, 10:12:43 AM »
DD4lifeusmc,

thanks for your comprehensive tutorial. I'm all right with BP revolvers, but new to breech loaders (hence my question).

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« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2013, 03:00:56 PM »
DD4lifeusmc,

thanks for your comprehensive tutorial. I'm all right with BP revolvers, but new to breech loaders (hence my question).
I missed your post of what type of breech loader you got.
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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2013, 03:41:00 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2013, 04:35:55 PM »
I went back to beginning of thread and saw where several rifles were listed, but missed which one we were talking about.
In this one are you shooting loose powder, rolled paper cartridge, or the brass with the flash hole in the end?
If brass where are you getting them from?

(I see it is offered as a repro model)
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« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2013, 04:46:33 PM »
DD4lifeusmc,
Haven't shot it yet, but will go for Swiss No2, in both plastic and brass cartridges. I turn my cartridges out myself in a lathe.