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Online mike116

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Ben waiting for this
« on: March 18, 2016, 08:08:38 PM »
I've been waiting a long time for the right deal on a Sharps rifle to come along. 
I saw this one on GunBroker a while back.  The "buy it now" price was good so I took a chance,  Happy I did as this one has nice wood and excellent case colors.  It's an 1874 metallic cartridge model in 45-70.
     
Here's some photos of the Sharps. 













I'm going to try to shoot it next week,   watch for the range report.

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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2016, 08:16:53 PM »
Nice rifle. You'll be happier with the cartridge model. I like my paper cutter but really wish it was a 74.
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2016, 12:00:38 AM »
That's a fine looking rifle mike. (T^
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2016, 01:01:48 AM »
that'll take any animal on this continent down !!

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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2016, 07:45:32 AM »
Nice, I'm jealous. My Cabelas sells the paper cutter military carbine.

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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2016, 07:59:18 AM »
nice Mike.

For those of us that have the 1859 / 63 paper cutters.
You can buy the brass cartridges for them in Percussion style.
They are a good compromise.
Going to try to get out this spring / summer and shoot mine more.
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2016, 08:36:29 AM »
nice Mike.

For those of us that have the 1859 / 63 paper cutters.
You can buy the brass cartridges for them in Percussion style.
They are a good compromise.
Going to try to get out this spring / summer and shoot mine more.

They don't really hold enough powder tho. I started making paper cartridges for mine. Making revolver cartridges is too tedious but the Sharp's cartridges aren't too bad to make.
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2016, 09:18:01 AM »
That looks great , I have a paper cutter too. It sounds like there's enough of us with paper cutters
to have our own club . LOL . Eventually I would like to get a cartridge sharps.

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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2016, 10:31:45 AM »
Dear Friends,
              Another gun that, "went the way of all flesh," when the Bitch Wife got rid of all my gear, was my 1859 (Repro.) Cavlary carbine in .54.  (I think?)  I found the quickest way to reload the thing was to just drop a ball into the breech. Pour Powder in the the hole behind it, Close the breech, put a Musket cap on the tit, and let fly!  I did once make a set of six rounds Paper cartridges, but it took me so bloody long to make 'em, I didn't want to SHOOT 'EM!  They vanished too!!!
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2016, 10:38:08 AM »
Sweet !

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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2016, 11:26:23 AM »
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2016, 02:34:47 PM »
nice Mike.

For those of us that have the 1859 / 63 paper cutters.
You can buy the brass cartridges for them in Percussion style.
They are a good compromise.
Going to try to get out this spring / summer and shoot mine more.

They don't really hold enough powder tho. I started making paper cartridges for mine. Making revolver cartridges is too tedious but the Sharp's cartridges aren't too bad to make.
Granted the brass cartridges for the 1859/63 don't hold as much,  but would say they are about the same power wise to bulk.
The powder is slightly more compressed than the bulk will ever be.  Doesn't have the minute airspace behind the powder either.
Plus tends to keep the fouling more confined to inside the case.
I am hoping in the next 30 days, to really be able to get out and shoot it enough to compare both ways.
My neighbor may have a better range than me that he will let me use, or can go to the BP shooting range he is a member of.  If price isn't too high I may join it this year.
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2016, 03:05:57 PM »
With 80 grains of powder mine has a hella air space. {_K )L$
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2016, 05:24:16 PM »
With 80 grains of powder mine has a hella air space. {_K )L$
Which seems to contradict accepted procedures in a typical muzzleloader and revolver loading about no air space.
But in this case especially if you load it with muzzle facing downward fill and close the breech, the gap would be behind the powder.

But what about carrying out hunting or on the march.
Do you shoulder and shoot, or tip muzzle down to settle the powder?
I doubt anyone did then or does now.
But one must presume(??????) the lack of powder compression would reduce the power of the shot!

Hopefully I can buy or borrow a chrono and compare.
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Re: Ben waiting for this
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2016, 05:46:35 PM »
Well, I'll be getting my paper cutter 59' this fall :)

Going to try it with brass. It just seems really handy, and hell, I could get them machined a bit wider easily enough. If I ever need to hunt buffalo, I guess I could fit 120 grains of loose powder and let it rip. Would make a glorious explosion, that. I'll have to buy a chronograph at some point, really.

The Hungarian shooter who shoots in European BP competitions and runs the capandball store and web channel wrote he's been using 55 grains of BP + 50 grains of filler testing the Pedersoli 59'. Here's the article, it is an interesting read:
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/uploads/riviste/6dpmag5.pdf