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Title: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: ssb73q on March 07, 2015, 11:35:48 AM
Hi, I used to keep all my modern firearms loaded. Since there is a safety rule, "treat all firearms as if they are loaded", I kept them that way. There was never a question in my household if a firearm was loaded. It's the quickest way to get a firearm into action if necessary.

However, lately, I have kept all my firearms in my gun safe unloaded. Today I loaded up a number of .36 caliber cylinders in anticipation of the snow finally melting at my range. I also loaded and capped the .36 revolver. This got me wondering if that was prudent.

Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded and capped?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Mad Dog Stafford on March 07, 2015, 12:08:02 PM
Hi Richard, I do keep some of my guns loaded. And some shot guns and some rilfes. And some black powder pistols. In my house, Kimmy and Max know most of my guns are loaded.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 07, 2015, 02:42:03 PM
depending where you live  humidity and such
Loading a BP revolver and not capping, will just let moisture into chamber via the nipple, inviting powder degradation.
And being the gun is considered a tool, it would be useless if not fully loaded and capped.
well not entirely useless. Could be a paper weight, door stop, improvised hammer  and such.

I roll paper cartridges myself, and yes Mine is always loaded.  I really need to make up more rounds and go out and shoot these. but waiting for much better weather.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: G Dog on March 07, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
I never preload any BP Colts cause to transport them the piece needs to be on empty and they are not listed on my carry permit. 

I always have at least one Remington cylinder loaded and usually kept in an eight inch.  The reason for this is that I have some Puma on my mountain and I would not wish to shoot one without a little style put into the matter.  A shot at a Cougar in your yard or on adjoining trails is an opportunity that needs to be taken with some style. 

The go to town/city carry piece in .45 ACP is always loaded and a loaded 20 gauge double with extra shells is ready and handy nicely tucked behind a bookcase by the front door. 

I see no point in loading everything, especially if extra mags are ready.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: BOOMSTICK BRUCE on March 07, 2015, 07:00:00 PM
everything in my house is loaded, except for that 10ga front stuffer sxs manton and only because i never want to fire that piece of weaponry spawned from the fires of hell ever again. nearly broke my collarbone, shoulder joint, arm, wrist, elbow, 3 ribs and my neck the last time i fired it.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Hawg on March 07, 2015, 07:05:33 PM
everything in my house is loaded, except for that 10ga front stuffer sxs manton and only because i never want to fire that piece of weaponry spawned from the fires of hell ever again. nearly broke my collarbone, shoulder joint, arm, wrist, elbow, 3 ribs and my neck the last time i fired it.

What did you do, climb up in a tall tree to fire it and fall out? (k-
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: SourMashII on March 07, 2015, 08:57:37 PM
Used to. In a nightstand.

Then I had some doubt with trusting the kids (youngest turned 3 in November).

So still loaded, just not as accessible.

Loaded doesn't bother me because, well, Safety Notch, I'm the only one that will pull it out of the case.. and if I pull it out of the case, I have a reason, which usually results in firing, or in ONE isolated instance, the threaten of firing (wasn't until I cocked it, that he thought I was serious)
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: BOOMSTICK BRUCE on March 08, 2015, 08:02:53 AM
everything in my house is loaded, except for that 10ga front stuffer sxs manton and only because i never want to fire that piece of weaponry spawned from the fires of hell ever again. nearly broke my collarbone, shoulder joint, arm, wrist, elbow, 3 ribs and my neck the last time i fired it.

What did you do, climb up in a tall tree to fire it and fall out? (k-

no, one of the hammer notches is quite worn and apparently if you fire the other barrel first the worn one will fire too...
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on March 11, 2015, 02:59:46 PM
Dear Friends,
            Betsina, Clementina, Sopjia, and Katarina are all loaded in all six chambers with my PDL! If you have an empty gun, all you have is a very expensive Deep Sea Fishing Weight!  Even where I live, it is possible that one of the Neighbors Neurotic Yappadoodles could get hit by a car,  and need to be put out of it's misery!  So apart from other uses, which DD4life has as succinctly summed up in an earlier post, I feel that except for a case such as posted by Sourmash, where a child too young so realize the destructive potential of a gun, might inadvertently bring about a tragedy!  ALL my guns are ALWAYS loaded!  So are all my cylinders, save for three, which I intend to put in my revolvers when I do a talk, and Demonstration for our Church Troop of the Boy Scouts! As soon as the aforesaid demonstration is over, the three guns will be fitted with three of the four loaded cylinders on my belt!!  ("Be Prepared, that's the Boy Scouts Marching Song!")
                                                                                                          Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Lead Balls on October 28, 2015, 08:24:00 AM
Mine are always loaded. I just ordered my first extra cylinder for my Remington, so one will be loaded, and one won't be. It will be stored loaded. I have a single shot break open 20ga, that is also always loaded, but I opened up the shell, dumped out the buckshot, and filled it back up with rock salt and a little bit of Elmer's glue, to clump it up a little bit better. That's my "less lethal" load for defending the yard. I also have an M1903, I just got that last week for my birthday, and I don't have any ammo for it yet, although I do have some on the big, brown, truck, on the way. That will also be loaded, and chambered, but I'll load it while holding the trigger down, so the firing pin won't be cocked. A quick up and down with the bolt handle, or just pulling back the cocking piece will make that ready to go.
I like the idea of the Remington for home defense, I'll keep a light powder load in it, since if I have to use it to defend myself in my own house, I don't want to place my neighbors at any risk, so I don't want the balls going to far. And furthermore, the last time I had an intruder, it was someone sneaking around in my back yard, and I could only see their shape, since it was dark, and the only light was behind them. I could see that who ever it was had a gun in their hand, and I almost shot him. It was a cop, looking for someone they thought had jumped the fence into my yard for some reason or other. I like the idea that if, god forbid, some kind of accident like that happened, as long as I shoot center of mass, as I would, it would knock a cop down, but the armor they wear is in no danger of being defeated by a soft, lead ball, especially with a light load. Anybody else would be hurting, for sure, and that's just fine by me, if they put me in that situation, but the cops don't seem to care who's property they are trespassing on, once they are locked into chasing someone. Back in the day, when I was a kid, they used to wear those hats they had, with the brim, and the funny shape with the badge over the brim. There is no mistaking that hat, even in the dark. But they don't wear those, anymore, so it's hard to tell them from a prowler at night in the dark, now. Those hats provided for their safety, but I guess they just don't seem to want to wear those, anymore.
I still get chills when I think about it, if I wasn't on the phone with 911, and or had not gotten through to them when I did, I would have shot a cop. That's one of the reasons that shotgun has rock salt living in it, now. That would ruin his day, too, and serves him right sneaking around like that, but it wouldn't do any permanent damage to him. I'm don't want to shoot one on accident. I don't want to go there until they show up demanding that I let them in, and lying about their probable cause. When they do that, they are robbing you, and you are going to go to jail so that they get away with it. When they get in, one of them will take their flashlight apart, then find some drugs to arrest you for. That's how they do it. To hide their drop stash from their own dogs, they know it has to be in a sealed container made of metal and or glass, and there is plenty of room in those flashlights. I've even seen them do it on youtube, when they know they are being recorded, and in fairness, if you don't know what you are watching, you won't see them do it. But when 3 cops and a dog search a car, and don't find anything, then the first one comes back to check again, then seems to have trouble with his flashlight, hits his hand with it a couple of times, then takes the batteries out, looks at them, then puts them back in, flashlight works again, and "OH" look, he finds some drugs right there out in plain sight that the other 3 and the dog missed, somehow, well, something stinks. I have nothing against cops, in fact, I like them, but dishonest cops are the only things on the criminal food chain that are actually lower than the child molesters. When they think it's okay to demand you let them in your home so they can take their flashlights apart, and arrest you, so they can seize your property and sell it at their auction, they deserve to burn slowly. That is NOT what my taxes pay them for at all. For the record, their favorite excuse is the old anonymous call reporting a woman screaming in your house. You would know if there was a woman screaming in, or anywhere around your house, and cellphones have pushed coin operated public telephones to the brink of extinction. When is the last time you seen a public telephone? Well, unless you can find one that is still in service, it is IMPOSSIBLE to make an anonymous call to 911. Remember that, because they don't, and they think we are stupid. If that is their excuse, they want to take their flashlights apart to liquidate your assets. They have come to depend on that income, and they have quotas to make.
But, if they had any right to force their way into your house, they would break down the door, that's how they do it. Don't open it for them no matter what they do or say, or threaten you with, and they will probably give up and go to the next house on their list.

I know how I must sound, but I have been screwed over by crooked cops enough times to have them down, now, and that pisses them off. I know they are coming eventually, and when they take their flashlights apart, you don't qualify for a trial by a jury, you get "drug court" ("kangaroo court") where the judge knows you aren't guilty, so he is going to find you guilty no matter what. If you want a jury trial, and believe that you will win with 12 taxpayer deciding, the only way to get one is kill at least one of them, and that's how it is. It's not my fault they don't see fit to obey the laws themselves.

And believe it or not, I will go above and beyond to help the honest ones, the ones that actually care about protecting and serving me, but they are few and far between. I knew a little clique of 4 or 5 good cops, 10 years ago or so, and I liked those guys. There was entirely too much drug activity around my place or residence, so I had security cameras around my house. I connected them to the internet, and gave those cops the address, so they could watch the circus live, from in their cars, and gave them my number, so they could call any time, day or night, and I would open the back door for them, and let them sneak in to do what they did, and they got rid of the crackheads. I even invited into my home, once, because I recorded something I thought they needed to see. But it's been a decade since I have known honest cops, and here is the thing that gets me, the rest of them STILL HATE me for doing that. They wanted to seize the property I was living at using the "nusance act", where when a place becomes that bad, and if the owners or managers don't do enough about it, they can seize the property. My cameras ruined that for them, and those guys cleaned the place right up. They got assigned to a different precinct, and the cops have been messing with me ever since, they didn't like not getting to take the property. That neighborhood has gone way up in value, since.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Captainkirk on October 28, 2015, 10:00:36 AM
No. Scratch that...HELL no. I have 'real' guns on the job for that purpose. Why would I want to defend your castle with a cap and ball revolver (unless I had no centerfire guns...or I was convicted felon that couldn't legally possess them)? You don't bring a knife to a gun fight, and you don't bring a hobby firearm to a home defense situation. I strongly suspect there are those who see a bit of romanticism in taking out a home burglar or rapist with his 'good 'ol cap and ball'....you're dreaming, fellas. The jury that convicts you will take a long look at your history and potential motives before deciding you are Hollywood Joe who always fantasized about pluggin' some 'bad guy' with his Wild Bill revolver.
If that's all you've got...use it. If not...keep them in the safe.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Hawg on October 28, 2015, 10:11:19 AM
Nope. A cap and ball would not be my first line of defense, nor the second or third. I would depend on them to fire if I had to use them for such but there's much better options that won't fill the room with smoke and throw sparks.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on October 28, 2015, 10:26:06 AM
I do not consider these cap and balls as a hobby gun.  They are quite deadly.
Loaded and used properly they are more than adequate for most jobs that require deadly force.

Yes I keep mine loaded at all times. other than a dud cap, they have gone boom even after being loaded for over a year.

But I try not to leave them sit that long.

Our cops no longer use the  To Protect and Serve  on their cars.
Now they use  Protecting the Legend.    Nobody around here seems to know what legend they are talking about.
Seeing some of ours in action on the street I don't trust most of them either.  I will nonchalantly turn and take another route if one starts following me.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: ssb73q on October 28, 2015, 11:16:10 AM
Hi, my first line of defense is a short barreled 12ga shotgun, the second an M1 carbine. I also have a few loaded modern handguns salted around the house for a worst case surprise. IMO BP handguns are fun guns for recreational shooting, period.

Like the Captain said, don't take a knife to a gunfight.  :9) :9) :9)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: snake-eyes on October 28, 2015, 11:24:25 AM
 Well I guess if I didn't have a loaded 9mm Glock and a loaded O/U 20gauge Charles Daley
I would certainly load up one of my B/P revolvers. I would feel confident having them and
they are certainly deadlier than a knife. IMO
snake-eyes  )&&
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Omnivore on October 28, 2015, 12:09:06 PM
I've been known to leave one or two BP revolvers loaded for lengthy periods, but not for self defense.  My Glock is always on my hip, unless I'm in bed, in which case it is as accessible as any cap revolver..

For those who keep one loaded for self defense, try this;
Just one time, fire off two 30 grain charges of BP indoors, in a confined space about the size of your bedroom, at night.  I don't know; do it in a closed tent if you have to, using blanks, but try it just once.  Let us know if you're totally blinded or only 80% blinded, or how many shots it takes to become effectively blinded, whether it's two or three.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: M9Powell on October 28, 2015, 12:41:10 PM
 I don't depend on cap & balls 4 self defense, but if that was all I had, I certainly wouldn't feel naked. I store my guns and my cylinders separate, not for safety or legalities, just convenience. My cylinders are usually loaded in my range box. I cap em & seal em with fingernail polish. Some have been stored for months and still function fine. I think though now that I have plenty of cylinders, I may keep 1 empty for each gun, for handling, tinkering, or showing to friends. Maybe they need to mount a light under their Remmie barrels like I do on my Glock 34.  (?^ too see in the dark?
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Captainkirk on October 28, 2015, 12:49:18 PM
For those who keep one loaded for self defense, try this;
Just one time, fire off two 30 grain charges of BP indoors, in a confined space about the size of your bedroom, at night.  I don't know; do it in a closed tent if you have to, using blanks, but try it just once.  Let us know if you're totally blinded or only 80% blinded, or how many shots it takes to become effectively blinded, whether it's two or three.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: M9Powell on October 28, 2015, 04:40:02 PM
 1 shot ll do it, but it works both ways. The target should get more muzzle flash than u. Plus he might be burning if he's close enough.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Omnivore on October 28, 2015, 06:25:50 PM
I was using a cotton towel once, as the top of a shooting rest, firing my Remington Army.  I noticed the towel smoldering after a few shots.

That's contact distance.  Three feet away?  I don't know, but I doubt you'd get the same result.  It depends.  I've used a lot of grease cookies, and I've seen them fizzle on the surface of a close paper target, but never set it to smoldering.  I've used the same load at 25 yards with no apparent thermal effects.

The very fine, light cotton fluff on the surface of a cotton garment can be set light surprisingly easily; say, just-washed terry cloth or new flannel.  Paper and other fabrics, not so much.  The thing with black powder is the short duration of the burn.  The few particles stuck in the remains of a grease cookie on the flat base of a bullet will burn more slowly, so for sure the load in question will be a factor.

Twice while hunting with black powder I've taken a shot, and then seen nothing but a smoke cloud, and when the smoke cleared, the target was simply gone as though it had dropped through a trap door in the ground.  It took me some moments to relocate it.  In one case more than a minute, I'd say.  In another case, several minutes, though the deer was found dead, down a bank some distance away.  On a third occasion I didn’t track the deer visually, due to the smoke, but was able to track it somewhat by the noise of the deer crashing through the brush in its death throes.

The more I hunt, the more I am impressed by the fact that much of the well-thought-out theory, much of the fair-weather range practice under controlled conditions, and much the testing and planning out your equipment suite, can be blown clean out of the realm of relevance.  I suspect than an actual, life-and-death armed confrontation with a human can be even more removed from theory and range practice.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: G Dog on November 04, 2015, 05:20:38 PM
The lowest life form imaginable is a crooked cop.  That’s like treason.  I’ve encountered very few of those though and that happily was in a court room; The People Vs. Crooked (Stinking Pig) Cop.  Those few are in prison now and will stay there for a good while. 

Never been jacked around by cops, not even as a long haired anti (particular ) war youngster back in the day.  They may shoot tear gas one’s way but it’s nothing personal.  Most cops in my experience, by a vast overwhelming majority, are up to die for ya if needs be. 

I commend the use of rock salt in theory; good for keeping folks out of the water melon patch and wood pile.  But modernly it could get you killed.  If the social interaction has so deteriorated that one is shooting - then one had just better be slingin lead out of the most modern up to date weapon readily available.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Dellbert on November 04, 2015, 08:33:44 PM
I almost got pulled into doing this a few years ago when people started talking about it on just about any forum you went to. As others have stated "cap and ball would not be my first choice for defense" because I don't haft to. Our home is well protected. If all you have is a cap and ball than that may be better than a sling shot. No I don't leave them loaded anymore unless I plan on shooting them. Others can do what they feel like.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: rea98d on November 30, 2015, 02:41:07 PM
I have a Pietta 1851 .44cal that's been loaded for years.  At one time, it was my only gun, and I kept it loaded in case of break ins.  I knew it wasn't the ideal tool for the job, but it was what I had at the time.  Now I keep an Uberti 1873 Cattleman loaded with hollowpoints by my bed.  That's what I would grab first in the event of a break in. 

I can't even remember how much powder is in the 1851.  As soon as I get it fixed (trigger/bolt spring is broken) I'm going to take it out in the woods and unload it cowboy style.  It'll be interesting to see if it still fires after all this time.

I just got my first 1858 Remington last week, and it's already my favorite gun, and I haven't even fired it yet.  I like it much better than my Uberti .45 colt.  So much so, I'm considering selling the 1873 and buying one of the Uberti 1858s with the factory cartridge cylinder.  that would be my go-to defense gun.  The Remington is just so awesome if I were going to keep just one gun, that would be it.

Weather's cold, wet and nasty around these parts and one of my Grandpa's old hunting buddies still frequents our land, so it'll probably be after deer season before I get any significant range time with any of my six shooters.  In the mean time, I can still polish the brass on the 1851 and lovingly cradle (while unloaded, of course) the other two.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Hawg on November 30, 2015, 04:11:22 PM
In the house my first line of defense won't be a pistol of any kind. It's a 20 inch barreled 12 gauge pump that holds 6+1 of 00 buck and the one is already in the pipe with the hammer on half cock. There is no light on it, no laser, no pistol grip, no nothing. There will be no warning, no racking the slide. Just a soft click and a loud boom. If there's anything left after seven rounds of 00 then my 1911 will get me to the next shotgun.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Mad Dog Stafford on November 30, 2015, 05:08:55 PM
 (?^  Hawg, that's like me too!  {?|
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on November 30, 2015, 06:56:21 PM
of course it is. It's useless otherwise if needed
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: jdurand on November 30, 2015, 07:22:58 PM
Many years ago I was engaged to a former policeman...err...lady.  One night she heard noise and went into the hall from her bedroom, someone had just come in the window at the end of the hall.  She was in darkness so took her stance, cocked her revolver <CLICK> and yelled FREEZE in her best police voice.  The burglar feinted.  Too bad for him, he didn't even get to see that she was naked ('cept for the pistol).
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on November 30, 2015, 10:01:20 PM
Well,
 Since my "black powder" guns are all ca'tridge shooters, yes! Loaded! (No long guns)
1st is El Patron

2 nd (and from there on ) either of a pair of Dragoons (sometimes night stand)  or 5 1/2" Remie or '60 Army.

Usually the Patron is with me 24/7 but occasionally at home (and in the shop) I'll pick up the Remie.

On range day, it's everybody in the pot!!! Everyone gets to stretch there legs!!  And to make things simple,
they all eat .45 Colt (900 fps-ish).  When the ROA gated conversion shows up, it will get some carryin time as well!!


Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
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Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Dellbert on December 01, 2015, 12:08:28 AM
In the house my first line of defense won't be a pistol of any kind. It's a 20 inch barreled 12 gauge pump that holds 6+1 of 00 buck and the one is already in the pipe with the hammer on half cock. There is no light on it, no laser, no pistol grip, no nothing. There will be no warning, no racking the slide. Just a soft click and a loud boom. If there's anything left after seven rounds of 00 then my 1911 will get me to the next shotgun.

I like Hawgs way of thinking. ->i
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: G Dog on December 07, 2015, 08:17:59 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Bishop Creek on December 07, 2015, 09:18:16 PM
I third that.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: mazo kid on December 07, 2015, 09:59:52 PM
Yep, I agree also. Someone said "my pistol is only used to enable me to put the shotgun into play"! My pistol (semi-auto) is loaded within reach of bed and the shotgun is leaning against the wall. And no, I don't keep any black powder guns loaded.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: G Dog on December 08, 2015, 01:48:19 PM
Yes sir, .45 ACP to get ya to yer next loaded shotgun.  I do keep one .44 Remington cylinder loaded with 35 grains and a .454 to occasionally put in the Remington 5.5 or 8 inch for handling and weight appreciation and the fantasy shot I may get someday on one of the many mountain lions we keep around here.  If a puma gets around my place (it happens) I want to shoot with some style and a .44 Remington has plenty of just that sort of thing.

For human predators though - a pump gauge and a .45 ACP is difficult to improve upon for being rigged up and ready for a bad time and trouble.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Len on December 08, 2015, 03:01:54 PM
As an answer to the thread headline "Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded? ", my answer is yes, after having read some posts on how long you can keep them loaded and still functioning, I wanted to test. Seems to work out just fine. And when you get down to all the paraphernalia of cleaning after shooting, and all the stuff is around, why not load up?

As to Hawg's treatise on shotgun supremacy, I think it is very well formulated (if you forgive my heresy, it sounds something like "I believe in God, the 2nd Amen and the Holy Shotgun")
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: snake-eyes on December 09, 2015, 01:40:43 PM
Len,
       I know about believing in God and shotgun.I was wondering if Sweden has a
2nd amendment or other type protection for gun ownership & possesion.  (^h
snake-eyes  )&&
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Len on December 09, 2015, 02:56:50 PM
Len,
       I know about believing in God and shotgun.I was wondering if Sweden has a
2nd amendment or other type protection for gun ownership & possesion.  (^h
snake-eyes  )&&

No 2nd amendment. The police and the bad guys carry, no one else. You can have licenses for guns for competition and hunting. Licenses are on 5 yrs basis. Antiques (manufactured before 1890, non-gas-tight ammo, BP) are free of license. Replica BP:s need a license due to the 1890 rule.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: snake-eyes on December 09, 2015, 03:24:33 PM
Len,
       I know how I feel about that, but as a Swede how do you feel. Personally I can not
imagine,as a law abiding person not being able to own or purchase any "legal" weapon
that I choose. But wow are they trying to remove that right from me. At 70 years old I
don't expect to see the gun issue settled here in the  )K&. in my life. When I get to
where I'm going I will be cheering for the NRA.  _k*  (T^
snake-eyes  )&&
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Len on December 09, 2015, 04:11:03 PM
Len,
       I know how I feel about that, but as a Swede how do you feel. Personally I can not
imagine,as a law abiding person not being able to own or purchase any "legal" weapon
that I choose. But wow are they trying to remove that right from me. At 70 years old I
don't expect to see the gun issue settled here in the  )K&. in my life. When I get to
where I'm going I will be cheering for the NRA.  _k*  (T^
snake-eyes  )&&

I haven't had much problem with that so far. We're a docile country, but are maybe now suffering from Post-Peace-Syndrome. All of the shootings here are between the immigrants. They bring their "culture ?" and their guns with them. The thing is to stay out of their backwards areas. But it is sad to see parts of the country going down the drain. Then of course, sooner or later there is going to be a backlash, but as you say, we're going to be gone by then.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Len on December 10, 2015, 01:31:36 PM
Snake-Eyes,
as far as I know, there's no country in Europe with your kind of 2nd Amendment. There are surely licensed guns around, but civilians do not carry for self protection. The lore is, that we made a deal with the state/law forces to take care of our security, the so called "Monopoly of violence". Problem is that this monopoly is now under attack from certain groups (you know which) within our societies. In Austria shotguns are license free, so in these turbulent times, every Austrian has bought a shotgun, the gun shops are completely ripped off. Then there is Finland, that has more guns per capita than the USA. Sweden also has a fairly high number of guns per capita, mostly hunting stuff.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on December 10, 2015, 03:02:11 PM
Gentlemen,
            In Spite of, and because of what some of you have NOT said, I will continue to believe that my,"Medical Examiner Special,"  load, would be VERY effective in putting any Miscreant who invaded my Private Space after dark, ON HIS ASS!  Most likely for Eternity!  When Bat Masterson's brother, Ed, was shot and killed in Dodge City, Back in the day, he was found to be wearing clothes that were still on fire!  Only a few moments had passed by between him being found, and the sound of the gunfire!  I have never shot my MES load after dark, and I honestly hope I don't have to shoot it indoors!  However, I have the
utmost confidence in it's ability to render anyone I hit fair and square Twixt Wind & Water, as dead as the proverbial Doornail!
I honestly have no wish to kill anyone.  However if I was awakened in the night to find someone in my room,I would be in fear! 99.9% OF PEOPLE WAKING AROUND ARE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN I  The average 14 year old could flatten me like a collapsed Opera Hat!  So I would take Betsina stealthily from beneath my pillow, and politely ask what the Hell (Or Something!) that person was doing in my home!   Failure on the part of that person to provide a satisfactory answer, would be met with whatever force I felt would keep me alive and well!  As a Citizen of the United Sates, I have the Constitutional Right to defend myself!  I WILL NOT permit some lazy, Scruffy, perhaps Unwashed person to steal my possessions, and the usually less than $5.oo in cash I sometimes have on my person!  I wanted to live here, because in England, Englishmen DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!  They are supposed to call a Policeman!  If you seize a golf Club and flatten an intruder, the Bastard can sue your ass, and is likely to WIN!
            When I came here to live, I FELT REALLY FREE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE!  So you can bet your Ass, that anyone who puts me in fear of my life, stands an excellent chance of getting their guts blown through their Spinal Column!  Also, if in the process of getting to my bedroom, I found they had hurt my precious Sheba, I might EMPTY the cylinder, and reload and shoot them six times more,  to be quite certain they were on their way to Hell!
            My pastime happens to be playing with guns!  So if called upon to defend myself I would use a gun.  A Canadien Hockey Player may well beat the intruder to death with a Hockey Stick! To Each his Own!!   In England Many Years ago, I recall my Dad chortling over the fate of two burglars who had broken into the home of a Kent County Cricketer! The man's wife had wakened him, and told him she had heard people downstairs!  So the Husband listened, and taking his Cricket bat, he explored the downstairs!  Apparently the men offered him violence, and he beat Holy Crap out of them both!  This was Back In The Day when one could act like a man without being penalised for it!  Dad chortled about the incident for Days!
            I'll take my chances!  A poor old man, with both knees almost useless, a crippled Left Ankle, and a lower back that could do with a lot of improvement, and rapidly approaching my 80th. Birthday!  So if I put some Worthless Punk in his grave, or in Intensive care, I'd not like to be the attorney who tried to make ME look the Bad Guy!
                                                      This is AMERICA BY GOD! Let's not forget that EVER!
                                                                                                      Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: G Dog on December 10, 2015, 03:16:07 PM
This is AMERICA BY GOD! Let's not forget that EVER                                                                                               

Right On Johnnie !  Anybody mess with you like that, just waste em.  Your local DA will probably invite you to lunch.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Len on December 31, 2015, 02:08:46 PM
1 shot ll do it, but it works both ways. The target should get more muzzle flash than u. Plus he might be burning if he's close enough.

New year's eve. Didn't buy any fire works. Shot the Remi after dark. Tried to establish if this talk of setting fire to the perp has any validity. Hung up an old shirt (Wrangler) half way down the range. Wife behind me lighting the shirt with a LED lamp. Shot several cylinders, getting closer and closer. No fire, not even at point blank range. But the shirt was certainly dead.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Branko on February 21, 2016, 07:35:15 PM
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Snake-Eyes,
as far as I know, there's no country in Europe with your kind of 2nd Amendment. There are surely licensed guns around, but civilians do not carry for self protection. The lore is, that we made a deal with the state/law forces to take care of our security, the so called "Monopoly of violence". Problem is that this monopoly is now under attack from certain groups (you know which) within our societies. In Austria shotguns are license free, so in these turbulent times, every Austrian has bought a shotgun, the gun shops are completely ripped off. Then there is Finland, that has more guns per capita than the USA. Sweden also has a fairly high number of guns per capita, mostly hunting stuff.

Carry permits are not easily given in most of Europe, but on the other hand, self-defense laws are realistically pretty similar to US ones. Just like in most of the states, shooting is only justified to protect from an immediate threat to life. You can't just shoot some guy prowling in the backyard, or some scrawny kid who snuck in your house. You can't shoot someone running away with your stuff, or someone who is grabbing your stuff. The police aren't allowed to do this here, either. Where I live non-lethal weapons are generally speaking legal to carry (with some rules) for self-defense, but to get a carry permit for a firearm you need to have a serious reason (eg. carrying lots of valuables or cash as part of your job, threats, or such). Frankly I did not see the need to try to get one. It would be nice if it was possible to carry guns without much legal fuss, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

While cartridge guns here must be stored unloaded in the safe (they check every year or two), a number of people defended their homes with firearms (including sporting and hunting ones) and if it was justified, they were acquitted (and around here, civil lawsuits after the fact are an unlikely proposition since continental law is a bit different). It's a rare occurence where I live, though. I understand the legal practice in the UK is different to most of mainland Europe, and self-defense is viewed under a more negative light, and even non-lethal weapons are very much banned, but, well... fall of a formerly great empire turned them into a strange nation.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: G Dog on February 21, 2016, 08:24:28 PM
Hi Branko.  Those are good comments.  A few observations here:

“You can't just shoot some guy prowling in the backyard,” … that is true here too.
“or some scrawny kid who snuck in your house.”  Here you can shoot anything that sneaks into your house and is old/big enough to present a potential threat.  In some states one is required to exercise some judgment on this, i.e. can’t shoot lost toddlers and such.  That seems reasonable.
“You can't shoot someone running away with your stuff,” Yep, no deadly force for property offences (theft).
“or someone who is grabbing your stuff.”  Well, that depends.  If the grab is from the person then it’s a robbery.  We shoot robbers here.  Too few though.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: jdurand on February 21, 2016, 08:42:54 PM
In California we have an extended Castle Doctrine which says once we start shooting we can chase the criminal outside our house and continue to shoot.

For people not familiar with The Castle Doctrine, it isn't a law per say, but it's part of the instructions given to the jury* and says "a man's home is his castle" or refuge of last resort.  If someone enters your home by force, you can assume they mean you harm and fire a nuke at them.

* Yes, I know juries aren't supposed to be instructed, but nullification is a whole other subject.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Branko on February 22, 2016, 05:43:23 AM
As far as self-defense in the home, the rationale of most variants of "castle law" in the states is that it is reasonable to assume that anyone who forcibly enters your home with an intent to commit a felony can be reasonably assumed to be a threat to life, hence, using deadly force is justified. Here this assumption is not granted automatically to the homeowner, and every case will be examed in detail during trial. Basically, some sound judgement is required on part of the home owner who resorts to deadly force. If you think along the lines of "is it really necessary for me to shoot right now" and the answer is "yes" then you will likely be alright in court. The few people I personally know who did bring their guns out to bear for home defense did not need to fire a shot, and that is ideal in every way.

On the upside, civil lawsuits are not going to happen as much because the amount which can be obtained in damages is much more limited on one hand, and on the other the one who files a lawsuit, if they lose they have to pay both court fines and legal bills for both parties (even travel expenses, everything). Suing someone in a civil lawsuit can be a risky proposition, unless the case is pretty clear. This is to dissuade people suing each other frivolously.

We've digressed from the topic of keeping loaded BP guns, though. Here cartridge guns must be stored and transported unloaded and with ammo in a separate compartment (storage in a safe affixed to the floor/wall/etc), but storage requirement applies only to cartridge guns and storage of BP guns is as of now not regulated.

So it is legal to keep them loaded and normally I do have a cylinder ready to go; I have to clean one cylinder less after shooting. Of course the police recommend that you store BP guns in a safe, too and with three small children in the house, I definitely agree with that. However it's handy that you can keep them out of the safe, so if you have some old muzzle-loaders which you want to display on a stand you are free to do so.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: old fogey on February 24, 2016, 06:36:47 AM
I'm pretty sure that a .454 round ball stuffed into any of my chambers doesn't really care if anyone thinks it's lethal or not, and the millions of folks who died from being shot with a percussion revolver would vouch for it's effectiveness as a defensive arm, irrespective of your perceptions of it's lethality.
                                                                                                                 Having said that rest assured it wouldn't be my "ideal" choice, but if it came to "nut-cutting" and all I had was my .44 Remmy, I'd feel well-armed enough to confront whatever threat I encountered (if it was more than two idiots with assault weapons, well I'm quite certain that after a head shot they wouldn't care if'n I borrowed whatever they were armed with)!
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: necessaryevil on February 24, 2016, 03:36:04 PM
Yes I always keep my Baby Remington .31 loaded, both cylinders loaded one in the gun. I keep that little gun in my pocket, always.

I keep one of my .44 1858's loaded also within reach in the house. That hopefully would give me time to get to my Mossberg Maverick 12g pump 20" 8 shot kept by the side of the bed during the night and hidden in the room during the day.

I do take the BP revolvers to the range and shoot them, clean them and re-load them once a week.

Unfortunately due to legal Spanish restrictions my Glock 17's and Norinco pistols have to be locked up in a homologated Police approved safe when not in use.

No such restriction on .22lr rifles (my Smith and Wesson MP15), shotguns or BLACK POWDER REVOLVERS.

ALWAYS carefully loaded and always ready.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Branko on February 29, 2016, 06:39:22 AM
While there's no requirement here for BP gun storage (otherwise, here all cartridge guns must be stored unloaded in a safe), probably, to allow people to display that family heirloom muzzleloader on a stand - I do keep my revolvers locked in an electronic combination safe. Loaded guns and children don't mix, and in case of some dire emergency, I can open the safe in a few seconds. It's rather peaceful here and I don't feel the need to have a gun in reach every second (if the situation changes, you do what you have to do, but that's how it is now). Of course, if someone feels the need to, well, their choice what to do, not going to argue either way.

My BP guns are for range shooting and competition, but in the gravest extreme, they have a pretty proven track record.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on February 29, 2016, 09:18:49 AM
Luckily here in the USA we are not yet mandated to keep personal guns in a safe.
But I can see that changing in the near future especially if Hillary is elected.
Hopefully they will indict her on something first, but not likely.

No matter how quick and easy a safe is declared to be able to be opened, Murphy's law will be applied. If anything can go wrong, it will and at the worst possible moment, doing the most amount of damage.

Well we are talking about someones life here.

I have a legally short Shotgun by the bed but also keep the 44 BP 5 1/2" Remington close by.  Yes it is always loaded.
My cartridge guns are also close by.
But since I was young, I always favored these BP guns. Just more interesting in their early history.  They have character!

We talk of famous western personalities ( hickock, Earp, buffalo bill) sometimes with reverence, mostly with awe.  As we were raised on tales of their exploits.
Who in our current time do we remember along the same lines?  On a near daily basis?
No one really. Those days are over.  At least until the next revolution and the kids then will look for new ones.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: M9Powell on February 29, 2016, 05:27:40 PM


We talk of famous western personalities ( hickock, Earp, buffalo bill) sometimes with reverence, mostly with awe.  As we were raised on tales of their exploits.
Who in our current time do we remember along the same lines?  On a near daily basis?
No one really. Those days are over.  At least until the next revolution and the kids then will look for new ones.

Not current but in the cartridge era, I'd say Sgt York, Audie Murphy, Hathcock, several German & Finnish snipers, even some Soviet snipers. I can't remember his name or even if he was Army or Marine but a young man in Korea was found dead with dozens of dead gooks and a pile of empty BAR mags & 30/06 brass. There was a recent spec-ops guy killed a bunch of ragheads with a heavy barrel M16 marksmen rifle who started out using it as a sniper rifle & ended up using it as a LMG. And just to give the Devil his due Otto Skorzeny was a pretty famous Nazi as were some of the Tiger crews. There is always the Red Baron, a Saxon BTW.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Sheriff Langston on March 01, 2016, 11:17:08 AM
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Who in our current time do we remember along the same lines?  On a near daily basis?
Currently probably Chris Kyle (American Sniper) because of the movie, but there are others like the (unnamed for security reasons Brit) that capped 6 Hajjis with one round, or the Canadian who set the long range record at over a mile.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/10735666/British-sniper-in-Afghanistan-kills-six-Taliban-with-one-bullet.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/10735666/British-sniper-in-Afghanistan-kills-six-Taliban-with-one-bullet.html)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Harrison_%28sniper%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Harrison_%28sniper%29)

Its easy to forget the lens of history compresses things quite a bit so it seems there were more concurrent shootists back then, when in reality there was quite a lot of time interval between say Adobe wells & the OK corral.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: snake-eyes on March 01, 2016, 12:56:17 PM
Sheriff,
          You make some very good points  (T^
snake-eyes  )&&
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: G Dog on March 01, 2016, 01:03:36 PM
Heroes, for Americans, have become a complicated proposition.  We no longer live in a particularly ‘heroic’ age and we have become a little jaded after all - but it’s valid to look to history to find them. 

Any real American statesman would be heroic, if only one were to emerge.  But like Churchill said, in our system, in order to be a great American statesman one has first to be a successful politician … and so it goes.

Currently, because of the values and interests expressed on this Forum, it’s you guys right here who are my personal contemporary heroes and it’s very reassuring to know that types like ya’ll are still out there.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: snake-eyes on March 01, 2016, 01:15:50 PM
it’s you guys right here who are my personal contemporary heroes
G Dog,
           (T^   Sure can't argue with that thinking.
snake-eyes  )&&    :9)
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Omnivore on March 01, 2016, 04:44:32 PM
I currently have a Remington Army at home loaded, all six, hammer in safety notch, in a holster with a stout hammer thong holding it all together.  I consider it as "safe" as any loaded forearm.  But as has been said; "Is gun.  Is not safe."  The 30 to 40 pounds of gunpowder stored here and there about the house is likely the greater danger, technically speaking.  Greatest of all though is getting behind the wheel of a motor vehicle and driving at closing speeds of 120 to 140 MPH on the highway mere feet away from traffic coming in the opposite direction.

Say what you will about gun safety, but several of my friends have died in traffic accitents and none have been shot, either by accident or on purpose.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: jdurand on March 01, 2016, 05:31:29 PM
My wife was shot as a kid (other kid playing with gun) but that's an idiot parent problem.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: M9Powell on March 01, 2016, 07:54:53 PM
My wife was shot as a kid (other kid playing with gun) but that's an idiot parent problem.

I grew up in a house with 7 kids & loaded guns everywhere.  They were simply hung on the wall out of reach of a toddler. By the time we were big enough to reach them, we were shooting squirrels & rabbits. We knew the difference in a real gun & a capbuster. Real guns were for killing, cap busters for playing cowboys & injuns. We did get a little out of hand shooting each other with BB guns loaded with hard purple berries off of bushs. We did get the brite idea  (k^ to load a superball in a 12 guage, but luckily we tested it first on a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood leaned against the outhouse. Busted it. Hmm better not shoot each other with that, I know we'll shoot that old mean bull in the    (8*  with it.  &j? B))
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: Dellbert on March 01, 2016, 09:42:13 PM
"I know we'll shoot that old mean bull in the    (8*  with it.  &j? B))"

NAW!! a supper ball out of a shotgun. ->I  I haft to keep that in mine.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: necessaryevil on March 02, 2016, 12:31:28 AM
Luckily here in the USA we are not yet mandated to keep personal guns in a safe.
But I can see that changing in the near future especially if Hillary is elected.
Hopefully they will indict her on something first, but not likely.

No matter how quick and easy a safe is declared to be able to be opened, Murphy's law will be applied. If anything can go wrong, it will and at the worst possible moment, doing the most amount of damage.

Well we are talking about someones life here.

I have a legally short Shotgun by the bed but also keep the 44 BP 5 1/2" Remington close by.  Yes it is always loaded.
My cartridge guns are also close by.
But since I was young, I always favored these BP guns. Just more interesting in their early history.  They have character!

We talk of famous western personalities ( hickock, Earp, buffalo bill) sometimes with reverence, mostly with awe.  As we were raised on tales of their exploits.
Who in our current time do we remember along the same lines?  On a near daily basis?
No one really. Those days are over.  At least until the next revolution and the kids then will look for new ones.
Title: Re: Do you keep your BP revolvers loaded?
Post by: necessaryevil on March 02, 2016, 12:36:45 AM
Luckily here in the USA we are not yet mandated to keep personal guns in a safe.
But I can see that changing in the near future especially if Hillary is elected.
Hopefully they will indict her on something first, but not likely.

I was recently reading on Facebook a list of people. They had all crossed the Klintons in some way or another, some making serious allegations against them and threatening to expose them for serious transgressions.

All of these people are now DEAD. They have either died in "accidents" or have committed "suicide". It was a very LONG list.

I would urge any Americans not to vote for that Harpie !