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Title: Capping
Post by: r5868 on February 11, 2015, 05:44:54 AM
I was at the range today with our school group and one of our "top" black powder shooters was adjusting his Remington's sights. I watched him load five chambers and proceed to the line. He fired two shots at his target and then went and got his capper to cap off the rest of the nipples. I don't know if this is standard practice for him or he didn't think, but I'm definitely not going to stand beside him at our next BP pistol competition.
Kerry
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Captainkirk on February 11, 2015, 06:15:25 AM
Our range only allows you to cap at the line. I generally load all six, then cap at the line before shooting.
Sounds to me like he's forgetful or distracted.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Omnivore on February 11, 2015, 05:24:28 PM
Did he try to fire more than the two capped chambers?  I.e. did he get a "click" instead of the bang he was expecting, because of a failure to cap?  That would answer the question of whether his partial capping was intentional.

There is an extensive article, referenced several times in this forum and others, in which the author describes in detail his attempts to determine the cause of chainfire.  He says he was able to initiate chainfire from the front with some regularity, even while using grease over the ball, but was unable to initiate a single chainfire from the back by leaving nipples un-capped.

Anyone concerned should read the article.   I believe you'll find it by searching the term "clean loading" with reference to cap and ball revolvers.  If anyone has ever scientifically disproven the author's findings, or even so much as attempted to do so, I have not heard of it. (I'm assuming that the reason for saying you'd not stand next to that guy is because of a possibility of chainfire from an un-capped, charged chamber. Forgive me if I assume too much)
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Hawg on February 11, 2015, 06:23:50 PM
I have tried to make one chain from the rear by capping one nipple at a time and never could get a chain that way.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: r5868 on February 11, 2015, 10:45:48 PM
Yes Omni, it was in case of a chainfire.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on March 11, 2015, 03:24:57 PM
Dear Friends,
            Our respected Friend, Smokin_gun has one revolver that has a slightly damaged nipple, and this gun, will chain fire if the adjacent chamber fires, and the cap has come off the damaged nipple! I beieve that Smokin_Gunsaid that the cylinder was an original,and the offending nipple "Frozen in place!"  However I stand to be corrected on this!  I have only ever had ONE chainfire, and that was a doozy!  FOUR chambers went off, but this was definitely MY FAULT, as it was the second time I fired the "Thriced Accursed 1860 ARMY!"  They chainfired from the FRONT! Because I was using some spherical Fishing weights for balls, and fishing weights have a hole bored through them!  The first six I had loaded with the holes cross-wise to the bore, and had patched them 'A la' Muzzle-loading rifle! When I reloaded, I found I did not have any more cloth to patch the balls with! The result was a slightly longer and louder BOOOOM as the trigger was pressed!  The four chambers went of in the correct order, with the fourth fishing weight spread over the end of the rammer!  My friend Derek, who was waiting his turn to have a shot with the gun, Said "F--k That!" and walked away!  Strangely enough,  the remaining two shots fired as they should have! In defense of my Stupidity, I can only say it was the very first time I had ever fired a percussion Revolver!
            As you all know, my love affair with the Colt Style revolver died a-borning, as the character of the gun became more clear to me!  Upon being introduced to the vastly superior design of the Remington Revolver, I prayed earnestly that the Good Lord would provide me a big enough Fool to buy the 1860 from me.  The Lord Kindly provided such a man, and with the money, plus a few extra Pounds, (Sterling!) I went to Messrs Cogswell & Harrison of Piccadilly, London, where I purchased my very first Remington Percussion Revolver!......................I have Never Looked Back!!!
                                                                                                          Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: ssb73q on March 14, 2015, 05:29:51 AM

I prayed earnestly that the Good Lord would provide me a big enough Fool to buy the 1860 from me.


Hi Johnnie, this big enough fool is still waiting for you to answer my PM. Did you change your mind on selling your 1858 Remington Carbine?

Edit: I heard back from Johnnie. Guess who is now going to own an 1858 Remington Carbine? What's nice is that Johnnie's carbine uses Pietta cylinders. This will let me use my Pietta 1858 revolver C&B and conversion cylinders with the carbine. I look forward to this new shooting adventure!  {?| {?| {?|

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on June 18, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
Dear Friends,
            I would not go to a range that insists that all capping be done only on the firing line.  The Range Officials are telling you that all Black Powder Shooters are a bunch of dangerous Idiots!  I carry a gun and it is ALWAYS fully Loaded, and ready to go at a split seconds notice!  I have in the course of something like 61 years of shooting of ALL types of firearms, had a total of four accidental discharges, and the only one that ever hurt anyone, (The last one!) the person hurt was myself!  I had designed a holster, made it, and then discovered that It had a bad design fault I had not taken into consideration.  The Pistol fell from the holster, hit the floor butt first, (Which because then the safety Notches on the gun were only giving ONE MILLIMETER of BITE ON THE HAMMER!) the second bounce was on the hammer spur, and since the minute bite of the hammer was SO SLIGHT, The first bounce had permitted the hammer to came back a fraction, and the cylinder had turned until a cap was under the hammer!So when the gun bounced the second time ON the Hammer spur, it went off!  I tried to catch the bullet!
            ALL my guns NOW have at least a THREE millimeter bite on the hammer, and I have practiced by dropping an unloaded revolver on the (Linotiled!) floor, from waist height, and they don't move around any more! I go to what I call "My Private Range!"  I call it that because I have only er seen ONE other Person there, since I rejoined the, "Ranks of Muzzle-Loadig Revolver Shooters," in October of 2011! In fact it is about 93,000 Acres of Arizona Desert.  In the direction I customarily shoot, I have a clear field of view for about two mile's, and not even the,"Medical Examiner's Special," will be dangerous at THAT range!
            Every shooter should give himself a, "Safety Examination!"  Try and examine your own behaviour at the range, whether you are with others, OR alone, and then ask yourself, had you been standing beside yourself, would you have felt REALLY SAFE? In the other three accidental discharges I had,the gun was ALWAYS POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION WHEN IT WENT OFF!  I was lucky! I still have my left hand!  I could easily have LOST that hand. 
                                                                                     Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Roadhouse on June 18, 2015, 01:12:28 PM
If you are at a Public Range, capping should be done at the firing line, PERIOD!!

The Range Officials are NOT telling you that all Black Powder Shooters are a bunch of dangerous Idiots! They are telling you that safety comes first. You are at a Public Range and you have no need to be ready to go a split seconds notice.

You have no idea if the other shooters have had any type the training or not. If I'm up at the line, I don't want someone behind me, maybe un-experienced, capping their revolver. I don't care if you been shooting for years, wait till you get to the line. It's only COMMON SENSE!!!

Or maybe you got someone behind you who's been shooting for years and thinks they know all about it, but maybe they had designed a holster, and then discovered that It had a bad design fault they had not taken into consideration.  The Pistol falls from the holster, hits the ground butt first, (Which because then the safety Notches on the gun were only giving ONE MILLIMETER of BITE ON THE HAMMER!) and on the second bounce was on the hammer spur, and since the minute bite of the hammer was SO SLIGHT, The first bounce had permitted the hammer to came back a fraction, and the cylinder had turned until a cap was under the hammer! So when the gun bounced the second time ON the Hammer spur, it went off!
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Captainkirk on June 18, 2015, 01:21:32 PM
If you are at a Public Range, capping should be done at the firing line, PERIOD!!

The Range Officials are NOT telling you that all Black Powder Shooters are a bunch of dangerous Idiots! They are telling you that safety comes first. You are at a Public Range and you have no need to be ready to go a split seconds notice.

You have no idea if the other shooters have had any type the training or not. If I'm up at the line, I don't want someone behind me, maybe un-experienced, capping their revolver. I don't care if you been shooting for years, wait till you get to the line. It's only COMMON SENSE!!!

While capping at the line is a major PITA, it is also a safety factor, and I go along with it. An uncapped revolver or muzzleloader will not go off...accidental or otherwise, and at my range, those loading are at the tables BEHIND the firing line. Guess where the accidental discharge (AD) goes?
Yup. Right in your back.
Gotta agree with Roadhouse on this 'un.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: ssb73q on June 18, 2015, 01:26:52 PM
Hi Roadhouse, I agree with you 100%!!

On a private range you can do what you choose, but if on a public range, follow the rules.

Some people manage to shoot a hole in their hand in their own kitchen. Now who could that be?  (^h (^h (^h

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on June 18, 2015, 02:24:02 PM
Dear Friends,
            IF I ever did go to a public range, MY guns would be fully loaded and capped and either on my hips in well made Mexican loop Holsters of my own manufacture, and if I did have to reload, it would be to insert other loaded and capped cylinders from either pouches on my belt, or from a briefcase! Naturally, if I needed to reload the gun, it would be at the firing line!
            I think too many people get into the shooting sports, before they have developed a Shooters Sense!  This is mostly Common Sense, and in the case of most Americans, it comes from a Loving Father!  I had a very loving Father, but he had been seriously Wounded in the Battle of the Somme, in WW I, and was not all that fond of guns.  Since he walked from 1917 onwards, on either artificial limbs, or crutches, I understood this. He was not very hapy about my fascination for guns, but he wasn't, "Rampantly Anti,"  Either!  He died when I was eighteen, so he never saw any of the guns I owned after, "Coming of Age!" When I was yunger, and had an air pistol, we used to play Darts, but instead of throwing them by had, we used the air pistol and the little feathered dart that could be bought for them.  We usually played games of 1,000and 1. Games of 300 and one only lasted a minuit or two!  It was quite easy to hit the double top to begin, and my dad could quite often get three of the little darts in a row in the Triple Top!  Even in those harmless games, Dad stressed that the muzzle of the air pistol must ALWAYS BE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION!  I got so that I'd pause, look at the gun, and then mentally mark where dad was sitting or standing, before I turned around to walk back to the Firing Line!  I have not had to draw a gun, "In Case,' for some time now!  Last time I seriously contemplated it, was in 2012, when we were evicting a tenant, from the Complex I managed, and he got really mad when he saw the police officer arrive, and knew that he didn't have any time to get rid of the, "Incriminating Evidence." (Because I had a good idea he had drugs on him, and I was standing in the bathroom door, and so he couldn't get by me to "Flush With Success!"
            So I'll leave, "Organised Public Ranges," for those unfortunates who live in places too built up, to make going into the Countryside a viable proposition,  I have at my disposal roughly 93,000 Acres of Arizona Desert to play in, with no "Custodian," to Tell me what or what, or What Not,  to do! and other lesser species of Homo Sapiens SO RARE, as to be not worth bothereing abut!  As a very young boy I dreamed of being able to one day, live somewhere, where I could just blaze away from my Back door, any time I felt like it!  Well I have to drive a few miles, but other Members of Homo Sapiens are SO RARE, that in the three yars I have gone shooting there, only ONCE have I seen a stranger there.  That funnily enough, was when Texian Visited with me, and we went down together.  Just as we were getting ready to pack up and come back to,
"Civilization," a guy on a Quad turned up, with a bolt action rifle in clips across the handlebars!  Turned out he had recently been living in Alaska, and being curious about what life was like up there, I began asking him some questions.  It all seemed
quite interesting, until he mentioned that in Alaska, the Mosquito was the State Bird! Also that they have a LOT OF GRIZZLY BEARS!  Bears frighten me!  I'd not want to hunt for one, unless I had an experienced Guide, who was lovingly fondling a .460
Weatherby Magnum!  I once watched a video, where this fool was hunting for a Grizzly with a bow and arrows!  The video showed him daw back his arrow and let fly at a HUGE Grizzly, burying the sahft into the bear's chest, right up to the fletchings!  The bear gave a startled sort of coughing grunt, and turned and ran into some thick cover.  The Hunter turned to the Guide, and aid, "Do we follow him?"  The Guide's reply was classical. He said,  "Mister, I aint in no mood to go following a bear into thick cover, that's just been poked with a sharp Stick!" I nearly peed myself laughing when he said that!
            From what I saw of where the arrow entered the bear, the poor animal most likely bled out. The arrow seemed to go in about where I would have guessed the heart was, but those animals have such amazing vitality, and are so incredibly fast for their size and bulk. (How does the first fifty yards from a standing start, in three seconds grab you?)  After learning more about them, I decided that I really didn't want to go Bear Hunting In Alaska, OR the Lower 48!  Them bears are just TOO DANGEROUSE by Far, for my liking!   After lasting for just over 79 years, I REALLY DON"T want to finish up as "Bear Sign!"

Title: Re: Capping
Post by: G Dog on June 18, 2015, 02:58:16 PM
“… and I have practiced by dropping an unloaded revolver on the (Linotiled!) floor, from waist height, and they don't move around any more! “

In the words of Church Lady:  “That’s special”

And off the wall.  Utterly and completely screwy.  One of the most amateurish things I have ever heard (again now, for the fourth or fifth time).  I can’t believe it, I don’t believe it.


Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Roadhouse on June 18, 2015, 04:52:48 PM
“… and I have practiced by dropping an unloaded revolver on the (Linotiled!) floor, from waist height, and they don't move around any more! “

In the words of Church Lady:  “That’s special”

And off the wall.  Utterly and completely screwy.  One of the most amateurish things I have ever heard (again now, for the fourth or fifth time).  I can’t believe it, I don’t believe it.




Oh, come on now, G Dog.

You mean you haven't tested all your revolvers using the "drop from waist height" technique.  )L$


Dear Friends,
            IF I ever did go to a public range, MY guns would be fully loaded and capped and either on my hips in well made Mexican loop Holsters of my own manufacture, and if I did have to reload, it would be to insert other loaded and capped cylinders from either pouches on my belt, or from a briefcase!

This is exactly why Public Ranges have rules.

Title: Re: Capping
Post by: G Dog on June 18, 2015, 05:32:02 PM
"Oh, come on now, G Dog.

You mean you haven't tested all your revolvers using the "drop from waist height" technique."

No friend Roadhouse I have not, never even tried.  I haven’t been shot four times either, not even by myself, nor have I killed four ‘fuzzy wuzzies’ while assigned a desk job in the peacetime RAF.   The nipples on my cylinders remove easily enough though,  but then I am after all a lace underwear anal retentive newbie with nothing better to do.

Bloody nonsense.

Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Roadhouse on June 18, 2015, 06:41:43 PM
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Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Wink on June 19, 2015, 03:48:41 AM
the one and only state operated range in our huge state, will ask you to leave if you try to bring any weapon to the line not in a case. 22, shotgun or hand gun. and they better be unloaded. now we can have a bp gun with ball and powder in our vehicle on the way to the range, as long it isn't capped but the range will not let you bring it to the line with powder and ball, in the gun. go figure. but they are nice guys. just very strict rules.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on June 19, 2015, 07:23:31 AM
IDK   as good as some of Johnnies stories are and his diehard ways of doing things his way, maybe he should go bear hunting.
wouldn't need no weapons, he could just sit down and talk the bear to death!  ->i
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: M9Powell on June 19, 2015, 11:33:39 AM
 What about taking a cased uncylindered revolver to the line and then loading it with capped cylinders stored in plastic containers? Seems about the same as an Auto with no magazine to the line with loaded mags. 
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: ssb73q on June 19, 2015, 11:55:53 AM
Hi M9, if someone wanted to shoot at my private range I would insist that a BP handgun isn't capped until the person is at the firing line with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. A capped cylinder can fall to allow discharge of a capped chamber. While the velocity is only ~300fps, a discharged ball could do serious damage.

Having said that, I regularly bring capped cylinders to my private range for shooting. If I have an incident, it's my range, my property, and my risk. Then I can tell stories like Johnnie on how I shot myself.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: M9Powell on June 19, 2015, 02:29:36 PM
 I don't think it'd be any more dangerous than an auto with loaded mags. That's how I do it. I seal the primers with fingernail polish. Your range, you make the rules. But I've never had anyone call me on it. You can go overboard you know. And that's coming from a 28 year military competition shooter, armourer, range operator/ small arms instructor. No one ever shot themselves or others on my watch. But I mostly dealt with pros, not boot camp. I've seen ADs in the field, dealt with runaway M60s. Seen M16s start cooking off rds, etc. I once saw an M 14 blow up. Best I could figure it was an out of battery slam fire. Not the shooters fault. Luckily it was pointed down range. No one was hurt. I have seen overworked tired GI's sit in the back of a duece and a half with a M16 butt on the floor with their chin resting on the muzzle asleep. They had worked so long and so hard I hated having to chew them out.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on June 22, 2015, 05:01:54 PM
Dear G-Dog,
            I am not at all sure what Fuzzy-Wizzies look like!  I thought they were from somewhere in North Africa! And if you read that post again, you will see it was only THREE trespassers I shot.  I feel I was lucky, for to finance a deal of that type, against a top secret unit, must have needed Mucho Dinero.  The ONLY way those men could have reached the shores of the Atoll, was if a submarine had surfaced in the lee of the slight rise of the island and had set them loose in an inflatable of some kind.  It was rumored that a rubber boat of some kind had been found, (Damaged.) by some of the SP's. I never saw any of it. They kept me in the sick-Quarters tent until they flew me back to Blighty, with my head still ringing with threats of what would happen to me if I ever breathed a word of what had happened!  However that was about 1957/8, and anything THAT old would not be Top Secret any more I wouldn't think! Besides which, I am no longer a British Subject!  So Sucks Boo, to the Official Secrets Act!  I DON"T CARE ANYMORE!  Since I left the RAF, I married, had two daughters, lived in France for about a year, Emigrated to Australia for three years, then came here in 1977. Got my citizenship in 1982, and don't even want to VISIT England, EVER AGAIN!
            I have read of people who have killed other People, and they have had bad dreams afterwards.  That never happened in my case. Yet during WW II, my Dad had a bad nightmare, and my Mom woke uo with his hands around her throat, and Dad saying over and over, "You Swine!  Mom hit him on the head with her flashlite, and he awoke. When he learned what he had done, he was most contrite. He told her he had been dreaming of the time in France, in about 1915, when he was trying to nab a German Sentry, and the man heard him, and Dad killed him with his rifle & Bayonet! Apparently Dad had had that nightmare several times, but he reckoned Mom had cured it with the flashlite, because that was the last time he ever dreamed it!  Mom told me a  lot of things he told her over the years, after he had passed on. It seemed Dad didn't want his son to know he had killed men. Not even German Soldiers!
            Maybe if I had had to defend myself with a Bayonet, I might have had nightmares!  I have always been afraid of Knives.  To me, the thought of someone slicing through my flesh with a blade, has an extremely High Pucker Factor!
            DD4life, I am deathly afraid of Bears! Ever since I learned a bit more about them, and found out that an Adult Bear, can cover the first fifty yards of a charge, from a standing,(Or sitting) start in THREE SECONDS!  Just imagine the power needed to move an animal that may weigh a TON, from a stationary position, FIFTY YARDS IN THREE SECONDS!  No Sir, I'll leave them critturs to the money'd men who own BIG HIGH POWER Rifles!  Like for instance, Weatherby .460 Magnum's!  Bears never show any expression on their faces.  There's no way you can tell if he(Or she!) is really Pissed off or not!  They justlook all big and cuddly, but they have learned that Man is Bad News, and can dismember a big man in the twinkling of an eye! I'll watch MY bears on You Tube, or those tales about the Alaskan Highway Patrol! I KNOW that THOSE bears cant leap out of my monitor and eat my Ass!!  The way my Arthritis is, I can't even run at all any more.  Not that it would do any good to run from an animal that can cover fifty yards in three seconds!  I reckon that being chewed on by a Grizzly Bear, must be
the most Awfull way to die, ever! 
                                                                                     Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.
PS:  DD4life: Sorry if I talk too much! You see I'm retired, and talking with you guys is really all l I have to do!  I'd like to shoot more, but to get to, "my," patch of Desert, would take about a quarter of a tank of Gas!  The powder I could afford. It's the GO Juice that is so expensive!  Hope you'll forgive me!
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: G Dog on June 22, 2015, 05:30:44 PM
Hey Johnnie --- I did not know you had lived in France.  What part?  What was that like for you?    Did ya get on with the frogs OK?

As an aside:  One of my favorite stories is of the time you were headed west out of Flagstaff driving an eighteen wheeler in a blizzard.  Must have been on U.S. 40?  I've driven that in most all weathers, but not in a full blizzard and only in a car.  Bout got killed by a drunk Indian on that stretch.  He was making a U-turn through the Westbound lanes and trying to head back east on the wrong side of the drun freeway.  I won't soon forget that. 

I give my caps a press with a little flat stick (pop cycle/lolly stick) just like you.  Even CCI's tend to stay on.

Title: Re: Capping
Post by: M9Powell on June 23, 2015, 12:18:44 AM
 Johnny, I used to do quite a bit of baar hunting in my younger days. They can and do give warning signs if they want u to vacate the premises. Rising up on hind legs, then smacking the ground with their front paws, woof woof. Growls. If he is doing that, he is warning you. Of course they are also ambush killers of deer, so if he is looking for supper, don't expect a warning. Forget out running him. The way to stop a bear is to break a shoulder. Heavy slow bullets. I used 44 mag, 45 Colt, 35 Remington works well, 45-70 & even 8mm Mauser. Most of the time bears around here will run from you, they have been hunted enough to learn fear. Most were shot out of the tree with 44 and 45 revolvers. You know on second thought I never hunted bear, the dogs hunted bear, I hunted for the dogs.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Yolla Bolly Brad on June 23, 2015, 01:54:53 AM
  I've witnessed a couple of agitated black bears making a blowing noise. One was a sow with cubs and the other one I couldn't see, only hear. I watched how fast a 300 pounder could run that was being shot at. The amazing thing was it was going straight up a steep canyon wall at a full gallop. Incredible animals!
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on June 23, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
Johnnie you know i was just funning with ya!

Speaking of bears.   just for Johnnie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UMWndnqyFE
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on June 23, 2015, 01:17:30 PM
Dear DD4life,
            Well I was certainly HOPING you were just putting me on.  I first became interested in bears, when I saw a short film on TV, about Black Bears. I believe it was filmed in Pennsylvania, but am not sure.  In one shot of this bear, climbing a tree, the bear must have decided to rest his legs, for he clamped his jaws onto a branch that was jutting out from the trunk of the tree, and let go with all four feet, and just hung there by his jaws for about a minuite and a half!  The guy who was speaking the blurb in the background, said he reckoned the bear was about a 600 pounder!  Just imagine the strength of those Jaws!Then in another part of the same video, he showed a TV Show that had gone sadly wrong!  Apparently bears can be really turned on, (Or off!) by certain smells. On this show, they had a supposedly tame bear, very friendly and docile.  The female host of the show appeared, and sat down on a chair about two feet from the bear. It seems that ladies perfumes are made from some very peculiar substances!  Like the scent (Stink?) glands of a civet Cat for example.  They didn't say what perfume the woman was wearing, and I don't know if they ever did find out what it was that set the bear off, but as soon as the woman sat down, he attacked here Tooth and Nail!  Three guys jumped on the bear and tried to pull the animal off her, but they might as well have been Mosquitos for all the good they did, Finally one shot some kind of chemical spray into the bear's nose and eyes, which distracted him enough for them to get the woman to safety! The bear looked quite a stout animal!  They never did say what the extent of the poor woman's Injuries were, but at one point, the bear seemed to have most of her head in his mouth!.
            Then I joined up with this local Wild West Group, who put on a show at Glendale's (AZ.) Annual Frontier/wild West Days Do! A regular guest of Honor is Dan Haggerty, who used to play the lead role of "Grizzly Adams!"  I never knew until I got talking to him, but the man has been training Wild Animals since he was a pre-teen!   He's trained over twenty Lions and several of the other Big Cats, Tigers included!  I told him that I was VERY  WARY of bears, and that when I saw these tourist films, showing crowds of people in very close proximity to bears, my blood ran cold, and I was in continual suspense as to when one of them would get Pissed off, and EAT someone!  Dan said that my attitude was a very healthy one!  He was telling me about the Huge Bear that acted(?) with him on the Show. He said he had owned her since she was a tiny orphan cub, about ten inches long. He'd bottle fed her, and knew her very well, and was very adept at recognising her moods.  He said there had been times when although a shoot had been scheduled at a certain time, he sensed that it would have been unwise to ask her to perform that day, and the show had to wait!  I told him about a tale I had been told by a guy in Wyoming in 1974.  Bus Badger, who my then wife and I stayed with for a week, when we had a vacation in the USA, just a few months before we went to Australia, told me of how he and his wife, Maureen, had been taking a trip through Wyoming, and had come to a scenic overlook of some kind!  They got out of the car, and noticed a crowd of people, clustered around one of the other cars.  They went to get a closer look at what was going on, and Bus suddenly shouldered his way to the hood of the car, (Maureen telling the tale at this point!) This Idiot Tourist Woman, had somehow seen this very young bear cub, had gone over to it, picked it up, and had sat it on the hood of her car, then put her infant son next to it, and was having a photo session!!! Bus apparently shouldered people out of the way, grabbed the bear cub, and pitched it over the guard rail, where it rolled down the slope aways, then shouted with great urgency to EVERYONE, "Get back into your cars NOW! Shut all windows and doors, and get the HELL OUTA HERE!" Maureen who was no fool, was already running for their car, and she and bus were NOT the last car to leave that Scenic Overlook!  Bus said, that the carnage that might have occurred, had Momma Bear suddenly noticed that her baby was not around, and had come looking for it, did not bear thinking about! (Pun unintended!!!) 
            I have been watching on Netflix, some of the episodes of the series on, "The Alaskan State Troopers."  Those guys are Wonderful Drivers! I don't know if they speed the driving sequences up at all, but those Troopers drive on snow covered roads at speeds I wouldn't ATTEMPT!  And I drove professionally for YEARS!  I guess if they were brought up to it..............?
They sometimes get much too close to the big bears than I am happy with, but I do know that a skilled camera man can make things look a whole lot different than they actually are!  So maybe the Cops are a lot safer than they look on the Screen! Sure hope so! Like I said before, being eaten by a Grizzly Bear must be a Horrible Way To End one's Life!
            I watched that movie, "Grizzly Man."  I thought it was a Crock of Excement!  The young man was nothing bt a fowl-mouthed Hippie! The Twit could not open his mouth without the "F" word spilling out many times.  In fact the ONLY part of the film I DID like, was the shots where he had made friends with some Red Foxes. The foxes showed no fear of him, and one even lay on it's back and permitted him to stroke it's belly!  I once caught a tiny fox cub when I was in England.  I picked it up and cuddled it, and wanted to keep it, but we had a dog at home, and I didn't want to see the poor thing bitten by the dog, or have my Mom make me set it free in a place where it would not be able to survive, so I carried it back to the last place I had seen it running fee, and gave it a last cuddle, before setting it down!  Then years later, I saw a woman in Coventry, in a store, and the Fox Fur she was wearing suddenly Moved!  I was with my first wife , and she saw it too and squealed with delight!  The lady who was wearing the fox, laughed and told us she had found him apparently abandoned, and  had made a pet of him Adele and I both stroked him gently, and he seem to appreciate the attention. Adele asked the lady if any of her neighbors kept Chickens, and the lady laughed and said,"Not as far as she knew!"  He was a really magnificent animal, well fed, in fact a trifle plump, had a beautiful glossy red coat, and his brush, was nothing short of Magnificent!
            Thanks for the Balls, Patches, etc. I really appreciate the Little Elk skin Pouch!  Thank you very much also for the TOTALLY unexpected Conicals, and the R.E.A.L. bullets. I shall have fun (When I can afford the GAS!!!) trying those out, and making notes on where they group in relation to their points of aim!  I assume the conicals do NOT need a Patch? (BUT what if I am wrong?)    Best wishes,                                            Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: G Dog on June 23, 2015, 01:59:51 PM
Horses hate them.  It’s a rare mount that will be comfortably controllable within 200 yards of even a little ol’ black bear (which are sometimes not all that little come to think of it). 

Visited school friends up in Sitka and environs once years ago.  Out in the country there (say a hundred yards out of town) it was fun to see little hippy type chicks hip strapin big .44 mags while they push a baby stroller on rural lanes.  In Spring the rule was 'don't leave home without it'.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on June 23, 2015, 03:46:28 PM
Dear G-Dog,
            The way I fear bears, in any area where Grizzlies or Polar Bears MIGHT be found, I'd only feel safe if I had a guide with me, who was lovingly fondling a .460 Weatherby Mahnum!  I got to know peresonally, Dan Haggarty, (Giizzly Adams.)  He has been a wild Animal Trainer since he was Pre-Teen!After hearing about what some bears have done to people, and just how FAST they can move, (Three seconds for a fifty yard dash! Standing or sitting start!!!!) well all I want between me and a Grizzly Bear is DISTANCE! LOT'S of DISTANCE! There is just something about the idea of having my living flesh torn off my body, and of how very painful that would be, that has an EXTREMELY HIGH PUCKER FACTOR for me!
            I am also very wary of knives.  I have a really nice knife on my Gunbelt. Took me awhile to find the blade I wanted!
I was looking fro a knife that LOOKED WESTERN, but that also had a sufficiently rounded curve to the cutting edge, to be a good skinner!  I skinned or helped to skin quite a few Kangaroo's in Australia.
            I used to go deer hunting in Arkansas. My then Wife had two Brothers, Terry & John, both keen hunters and Fishermen. They both came to our Motel Room the morning after our wedding,(We were married at Terry's House.) They dragged me out of bed to go fishing!  Said they weren't going to have a brother-in-Law in the family, who didn't know how to Fish! Great Guys both of them!
                                                                                     Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on June 23, 2015, 09:42:26 PM
NO  you do NOT use patches on any of the conicals I sent you.
Just apply some lube to the lube  grooves  be rather generous

See the shooting I did today at the coffee can, in  what's going on today in off topic.
Title: Re: Capping
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on June 24, 2015, 01:37:03 PM
Dear DD4life,
            Many thanks fr the clarification. I WAS going to apply my Beeswax/Olive oil Lube. They seem to have a re-bated heel groove, and I tentatively sat one on the muzzle of the rifle, and the end slipped in so easily, I was for a second a little scared that it might go in too far for me to get it back out!However it did stop as soon as the next band got to the muzzle!  I believe I will lube the grooves by hand, and I WILL be Generous!  I have hardly touched the Bag of Beeswax Pellets that Ana got me from AMAZON, about two years ago.  With ten grans of Goex, plus a crushed Pyrodex Pellet, there isn't a whole lot of room left for an OTB lube, but it works beautifully, and I have tried just putting a dry patch down the barrel, without pouring hot water through them first, and the bore has come up really nice.  Just in Case I DO pour hot water first, down each barrel. Then sometimes just one patch is sufficient, and occasionally two. Result a mirror bright bore!  The batch of lube I made up about two years ago, made half a standard sized Coffee mug of lube.  I still have a third of a mug left!  The 50% X 50% lube is firm enough, so that not melt, not even the heat of an Arizona Summer will cause it to melt when carried in a holster.(Under my left armpit!) and when the Revolver is shot, none of the lube from adjacent chambers is disturbed!
            You doubtless have your own "Tried & True method's, but my method of getting exactly 50% of each ingredient, was to first melt a certain amount of the beeswax beads in the Microwave, IN A GLASS THAT HAD PERPENDICULAR SIDES! I then took the melted beeswax out of the microwave, made a note of exactly where the level came to,and poured an exactly equal amount of Olive Oil. Then with a long Iced Teaspoon, I stirred well, and re-heated for a while! Poured in the coffee mug, and allowed to cool! WORKS A TREAT!  Those flat sided Lolly sticks, with the rounded ends are the PERFECT tool for digging the stuff out of the mug, and pressing the required amount into the ends of the chambers!  I started off just Using my fingers, but that was a bit Ickey!  (I REALLY hate getting my fingers all greasy!)  I pack the lube in until it is about flush with the flat end of the cylinder, then put a paper towel on a flat surface, and pressng he cylinder downward, I slide it across the towel which gives me a very neat looking business end to the cylnider!  The lube is robust enough to allow all the lube in adjacent chambers to remain in place when the shots are fired!  Completely UNlike Crisco, where the very first round fired, blows ALL the lube from all six chambers! Captan Kirk tried this stuff once, and said the gun became very slippery all over! So leave Crisco in the kitchen of Loretta Lynne!  She's always advertising the stuff!  The only part of my guns that gets a little greasy when fired, is the part of the frame directly in front, of the lower chambers of the cylinder. The part that houses the Rammer. Directly UNDER the forcing cone.  Some lube DOES get blown into the front end of the Base pin, which does help in cylinder removal!.
            Time to check on the dog.  Her tummy has been a little upset for the last few days, and I HATE cleaning Carpets!
All the Very Best Wishes to you!
                                                                                     Johnnie Roper,AAlias:Gunslinger9378.