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Title: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: BartSr on April 06, 2014, 02:41:13 PM
OK, here is a range report of a .31 cal (Enfield .303 barrel piece) that I shot last week.
11 meters (11 yards), 30gr of 777 FFFg, .310 round ball (it just fits down the barrel and hits the rifling. The frame is 1/2 inch square tubing, etc. Effective barrel is about 2 inches after loading all the above stuff. No rear sight, yet.

I hope the picture link works:  M__
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZOfZODoChxY/U0Gvw9RsUaI/AAAAAAAAAtQ/0-Wu4jPVlUM/s1600/bp2-rr1.jpg)

Comments appreciated, questions answered too.

Paul
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: sltm1 on April 06, 2014, 04:20:48 PM
Thats a great looking gun, nice work. I'd wager a rear site and somewhat less powder and that gun will perform nicely. The 31 cal originals  (Colt & Remmie), only took around 10g if I'm not mistaken
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: BartSr on April 06, 2014, 05:54:16 PM
Yes, 30gr of FFFg was a bit of a hoot!  Fireball and all.  _l  {?|

Thanks,
Paul
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: BartSr on April 14, 2014, 10:49:52 AM
OK, here's another one (#3) with .40 cal smooth bore and a new, as of today, holster.  This is my first attempt at holster making so "comment away"!  Not much designing or staining just wanted to see how it worked.  Stitching spacer was used then drilled with a 1/16 inch drill bit.  Still need to pick up a stitching groover.  I used cereal box card stock to make the pattern and went from there.  It took a lot of reading to make sure the sequence was correct in the assembly of said item.  Leather was picked up at the Tandy store in Phoenix and is 6-7 oz.
Thanks!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D0G84CbthmQ/U0wI7X4DkXI/AAAAAAAAAt8/-MvtPi6mqR8/s1600/no1_a.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5iWk651EOwg/U0wI7pLssCI/AAAAAAAAAuA/hiQspM4c62w/s1600/no1_b.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-igneuGMQOhI/U0wI7qptOMI/AAAAAAAAAuE/3-nUJL3hprw/s1600/no1_c.jpg)

Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on April 14, 2014, 01:58:56 PM
Dear Bart Snr.
            I had a .303 Enfield, and if I recall correctly the true bore on that caliber .311.  I am not sure what round balls are available that would
be a nice fit for that barrel, but I just assumed the .303 you were speaking of was the British Enfield.  I believe there is an American .303, possibly made by Savage.  I have no idea what the calibraton of that one might be!  I have never owned one. However I have had two Lee Enfield's, and they were both VERY accurate.
            Very ingenius pistol!  Was it just a pure experiment, of did you have a purpose for it in mind?  That annoying Dog of your neighbors, or the cat that keeps pooping where your wife has planted seedlings?
                                                                                                        Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: BartSr on April 14, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
John,

I bought a DP marked Enfield .303 barrel from Rick Reich (on GunBoards) in Nevada, it was about $15 including postage. Apparently he had a pile of them.  It was an experiment, just wanted a small caliber pistol.  Although this particular one is .395 smooth bore so it can use .375 round balls (with patch) or "bullets" that are piled up in the garage.  M__  :-*
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: PaleHawkDown on April 14, 2014, 03:56:27 PM
I like the under barrel action, and it certainly gives it an early percussion look, but I was curious as to why you chose that over a more "traditional" design? also, do you have trouble keeping caps on it?

We have come very close to ordering some "Swiss" rifles and pistols from Pietta with the under barrel action, but we keep talking ourselves out of it for various reasons. I wonder if we could sell any?
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: PaleHawkDown on April 14, 2014, 04:00:46 PM
We carry .310 balls, and we used to carry .312. What caliber were the ones you used?
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: mike116 on April 14, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
Love the underhammer pistols and the holster Bart.  Looks like a well matched set.  I know a couple guys who shoot competitively with underhammer designs.  I've never had the opportunity to shoot one.  Looks like fun to me.
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: BartSr on April 14, 2014, 09:36:48 PM
I like the under barrel action, and it certainly gives it an early percussion look, but I was curious as to why you chose that over a more "traditional" design? also, do you have trouble keeping caps on it?
...
Pale,
1.) I come from a now defunct website "garagegunsmithing.com" where folks did build all kinds of weird things that would shoot wonderfully. I learned that underhammer stuff there.

2.) I used .310 balls on the two pistols (#1 and #2) with Enfield barrel pieces.

Note: this particular pistol (#3) uses  .375 or .380 RB's or  bullets, it's a .395 bore.

Mike116,
Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate that.
You should try one, the trigger is nice and smooth, you cannot tell when it's going to break.

Paul (Off to try another leather project)....  :9)
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: Erich on April 16, 2014, 01:37:27 PM
Pretty darned neat, Paul - thanks for sharing. Who knows who'll you'll inspire to build something at home?  {L*
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: mazo kid on May 09, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
Nice! Paul, how many of those under hammer actions have you built now?
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: BartSr on May 10, 2014, 10:11:26 AM
Nice! Paul, how many of those under hammer actions have you built now?
Welllll, I've lost count, really. I have about 5 rifles, maybe 15 pistols. Some pistols are MIA as they were re-purposed.
Some are just actions sitting in plastic baggies waiting for the opportune moment. I have two barrels left for future projects.

So far I'm liking .40 cal as I can use the .375 RB's or bullets that fit the .36 cal revolvers.

To stave off boredom I've been making holsters to fit most all of the revolvers (6) including the Walker, and one for my wife's .357 maggie.  http://www.pinterest.com/idezilla/leather-crafting/ (http://www.pinterest.com/idezilla/leather-crafting/) Pictures here

I like to keep busy.  _l

Paul
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: Kaeto on May 10, 2014, 02:17:06 PM
Were those .303 barrels new? Or were they shot out?
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: BartSr on May 10, 2014, 10:38:26 PM
Were those .303 barrels new? Or were they shot out?

The single .303 barrel I purchased (which became several pistols) was a DP model. Every part was stamped DP.

Paul
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: Lizardo on June 01, 2014, 04:24:59 PM
In regards to the American .303  was a .303 Savage. Very misleading. Actually .308 and quite a bit shorter. Buddy had a .303 Brit and accidentally got some .303 Savage and ran them through the Brit. Only damage was split cases...
Title: Re: Home Brewed .31 cal pistol
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on August 19, 2014, 04:13:18 PM
Dear Friends,
            D.P. in regard to British Military Firearms, means Drill Purpose!  In short, they are okay to throw around on the parade ground, and for teachig recruits to order and slop arms, but they are usually de-activated by a sectin cut fron the lower half of the barrel, just about where you would put your left hand if firing on a range.  So since the .303 Brit.Developes a pressure of 19 tons per square inch, you would probably get a lot of splinters blown into that left hand!  Some may have gotten through without having this done, especially if they were brought over here before being condemned.  I have had two of them, and the rifle is exceptionally accurate.  I believe I is still used by some competitors in Britains Annual "Queens Prize Shoot at Bisley, in Surrey.
            The course of fire for this event goes from 200 yards to 1000 yards. I believe the bullseye at 1000 yards is six feet across. When Queen Victoria opened Bisley's first range, she pulled a silken cord attached to a rifle held down on a solid base by cords stretched across the rifle, and weighted at both ends by Cannon Balls.  The rifle had been sighted in by an officer, and when the Queen pulled the cord, the rifle fired, and there was much applause when it was announced a few moments later, that Her Majesty, had scored a Bullseye at 1000 yards.
                                                                                                     Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.