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Title: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: cap and baller on April 21, 2017, 07:32:14 AM
Been messing around with the XIX Replica Arms Co Walker and it is something to behold.  It grabs all the attention in the room and is a fun conversational talking point (especially for the gals who've seen True Grit/JaneGG).  Gonna shoot this beauty when I have a chance so I can figure out how to hold it LoL.  Its got all the markings except for who actually made the thing so its a toss up between a few companies.  Most likely its an Armi San Marco which is just dandy.  I wont be doing too many full load charges and they'd be 2F not 3F Goex as I have read that issues may arrive.  Here are some pictures of it and size comparisons!
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: sourdough on April 21, 2017, 08:13:36 AM
If the date code is XIX and is marked Replica Arms El Paso Texas, it is most assuredly made by ASM even if no ASM logos are on the pistol.

I have a Replica Arms El Paso Texas 1848 Pocket Model .31 with the same date code (1963) that has been confirmed by Dr. Jim L. Davis http://rprca.tripod.com/

to be manufactured by ASM. 1963 is also the first date of manufacture for the ASM/Replica Arms association.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii274/sourdoughjim/1848%20Pocket%20008_zpsztpyzcu3.jpg)

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii274/sourdoughjim/ItalianDateStamps_zps1bjf73js.jpg)

Regards,

Jim
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: KapundBall on April 21, 2017, 08:27:23 AM
Both remarkable revolvers!  The 460 S&W is an excellent modern companion to the Walker. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: mike116 on April 21, 2017, 10:58:43 AM
Undoubtedly an ASM and there should be a mark somewhere.   ASM used an "A" with the bottom part of the A forming a small "M".   It can be hard to see and often isn't stamped well.  Sometimes it ends up under the trigger guard. 
There is small faction of people who collect Replica Arms from the period when they were in El Paso before they moved to Marietta Ohio.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: Hawg on April 21, 2017, 11:13:01 AM
I have seen ASM's with no more markings than an A prefix to the serial number.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: mike116 on April 21, 2017, 01:06:01 PM
I have seen ASM's with no more markings than an A prefix to the serial number.

New info for me.  It seems I've always been able to find a mark if I suspect that it's an ASM.   Good to know they sent some out without a markings.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: Hawg on April 21, 2017, 02:51:17 PM
I have seen ASM's with no more markings than an A prefix to the serial number.

New info for me.  It seems I've always been able to find a mark if I suspect that it's an ASM.   Good to know they sent some out without a markings.

The ones without were probably kit guns.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: mike116 on April 21, 2017, 03:41:49 PM
Maybe so.  I know that a lot of kit guns were sent out without any marks at all,  not even proof marks.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: Omnivore on April 21, 2017, 09:55:15 PM
Nice find.  I note the round cylinder lock notches, whereas the current Uberti Walker has oval notches.

I'm convinced that the stories about Walkers loosening up under full house loads come from guns with short arbors, which can batter themselves due to the loose fit between barrel and frame.  There's pretty scant contact surface area between the wedge and barrel, and the wedge steel isn't very hard, and so a little "jangling" between the parts could easily result in peening.

Before I ever fired the gun, I shimmed my Uberti Walker arbor so the wedge can be tapped in tight and not jam the barrel against the cylinder.  That provides a consistent and repeatable cylinder gap and barrel-to-frame angle, with no (or greatly reduced) movement during the violence of firing.  I've fired a couple hundred rounds with 45 and 50 grain charges of Olde Eynsford 3F powder (more energetic than regular Goex, and close to Swiss) with 200, 225 and 240 grain bullets and no sign of loosening has yet become observable.  I'm confident I could shoot those loads, or a sixty grain 3F charge with a round ball, for years and years and not have a problem.  I don't know about an ASM, but the Uberti can handle it once it's been fit proper.

Anyway; that's my observation so far, and others have tried this and concur.  It may change over time, maybe.

It just depends on what you want to do with it.  The Uberti is readily replaced, and so I didn't feel there was a lot to lose by experimenting with it, plus I wanted to see what a chamber that size could do with the 9" barrel.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: Dellbert on April 22, 2017, 03:51:08 PM
them are some fine guns you have there cap and baller. (T^
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: B. P. Roscoe on April 28, 2017, 05:37:04 PM
I like that Walker!  (the others too...  :) )
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: cap and baller on April 29, 2017, 07:07:22 AM
Thanks for the replies and input everyone!  Still haven't taken it out yet due to work picking up a tad {L*.  That may change today though.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: LonesomePigeon on May 06, 2017, 07:19:58 PM
Omni, I think what you say about the arbor is true. Additionally, I think the cylinder gap needs to be small. It just makes sense to me that if the cylinder gap is large then the cylinder slamming against the forcing cone could batter the gun loose over time.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: Tiger Tamer on February 15, 2019, 09:08:16 PM
 Ok You bunch of bad influences, I need help.  First I have to thank everyone for sharing all your knowledge and entertaining stores.  I just acquired a Walker just like this, but it was made in 62.
In the process of preparing to shoot this most recent addition to my ever growing collection I discovered that it takes # 12 caps. Would it hurt the value of the gun greatly if I modified the nipples to take #11 caps, Or would I be better off tiring to find different nipples. I bought this to shoot but now that I know how old it is & the condition.  I'm rethinking that. I might save my pennies up for a Uberti Walker And save this as is.  Dose anyone ever see # 12 caps? 
Thanks Al
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: Hawg on February 16, 2019, 02:50:33 AM
  Dose anyone ever see # 12 caps? 

AFAIK nobody has made them since the mid 70's. Caps originally ran from #9 - #13. I believe the original Walkers and dragoons took #12 caps. I've got an old Remington repro that takes #9. I wouldn't work the nipples down, I'd just replace them and keep the old ones.
Title: Re: Pics of XIX Replica Arms Company Walker 1963
Post by: Tiger Tamer on February 16, 2019, 06:58:45 AM
OK Thanks Hawg will do.
Al