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Title: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 18, 2016, 08:08:38 PM
I've been waiting a long time for the right deal on a Sharps rifle to come along. 
I saw this one on GunBroker a while back.  The "buy it now" price was good so I took a chance,  Happy I did as this one has nice wood and excellent case colors.  It's an 1874 metallic cartridge model in 45-70.
     
Here's some photos of the Sharps. 

(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/mike-116/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.57.46_zps0f7giuy8.jpg) (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/mike-116/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.57.46_zps0f7giuy8.jpg.html)

(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/mike-116/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.54.01_zpsgku1zbgd.jpg) (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/mike-116/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.54.01_zpsgku1zbgd.jpg.html)

(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/mike-116/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.55.49_zpsbjtckqgh.jpg) (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/mike-116/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.55.49_zpsbjtckqgh.jpg.html)

(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/mike-116/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.52.19_zpseefwpnfv.jpg) (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/mike-116/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.52.19_zpseefwpnfv.jpg.html)

(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/mike-116/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.49.31_zps3cojviex.jpg) (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/mike-116/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.49.31_zps3cojviex.jpg.html)

(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/mike-116/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.48.04_zpsy3f2fkmt.jpg) (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/mike-116/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03-18%2018.48.04_zpsy3f2fkmt.jpg.html)

I'm going to try to shoot it next week,   watch for the range report.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 18, 2016, 08:16:53 PM
Nice rifle. You'll be happier with the cartridge model. I like my paper cutter but really wish it was a 74.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Dellbert on March 19, 2016, 12:00:38 AM
That's a fine looking rifle mike. (T^
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Cross Plains Drifter on March 19, 2016, 01:01:48 AM
that'll take any animal on this continent down !!

IIIIIIII    LIKE IT !!!!
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: M9Powell on March 19, 2016, 07:45:32 AM
Nice, I'm jealous. My Cabelas sells the paper cutter military carbine.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 19, 2016, 07:59:18 AM
nice Mike.

For those of us that have the 1859 / 63 paper cutters.
You can buy the brass cartridges for them in Percussion style.
They are a good compromise.
Going to try to get out this spring / summer and shoot mine more.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 19, 2016, 08:36:29 AM
nice Mike.

For those of us that have the 1859 / 63 paper cutters.
You can buy the brass cartridges for them in Percussion style.
They are a good compromise.
Going to try to get out this spring / summer and shoot mine more.

They don't really hold enough powder tho. I started making paper cartridges for mine. Making revolver cartridges is too tedious but the Sharp's cartridges aren't too bad to make.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: vhram on March 19, 2016, 09:18:01 AM
That looks great , I have a paper cutter too. It sounds like there's enough of us with paper cutters
to have our own club . LOL . Eventually I would like to get a cartridge sharps.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Gunslinger9378 on March 19, 2016, 10:31:45 AM
Dear Friends,
              Another gun that, "went the way of all flesh," when the Bitch Wife got rid of all my gear, was my 1859 (Repro.) Cavlary carbine in .54.  (I think?)  I found the quickest way to reload the thing was to just drop a ball into the breech. Pour Powder in the the hole behind it, Close the breech, put a Musket cap on the tit, and let fly!  I did once make a set of six rounds Paper cartridges, but it took me so bloody long to make 'em, I didn't want to SHOOT 'EM!  They vanished too!!!
                                                                                                                                 Johnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378.   
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: docent on March 19, 2016, 10:38:08 AM
Sweet !
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: snake-eyes on March 19, 2016, 11:26:23 AM
Mike,
          (T^  NICE!
snake-eyes  )&&
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 19, 2016, 02:34:47 PM
nice Mike.

For those of us that have the 1859 / 63 paper cutters.
You can buy the brass cartridges for them in Percussion style.
They are a good compromise.
Going to try to get out this spring / summer and shoot mine more.

They don't really hold enough powder tho. I started making paper cartridges for mine. Making revolver cartridges is too tedious but the Sharp's cartridges aren't too bad to make.
Granted the brass cartridges for the 1859/63 don't hold as much,  but would say they are about the same power wise to bulk.
The powder is slightly more compressed than the bulk will ever be.  Doesn't have the minute airspace behind the powder either.
Plus tends to keep the fouling more confined to inside the case.
I am hoping in the next 30 days, to really be able to get out and shoot it enough to compare both ways.
My neighbor may have a better range than me that he will let me use, or can go to the BP shooting range he is a member of.  If price isn't too high I may join it this year.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 19, 2016, 03:05:57 PM
With 80 grains of powder mine has a hella air space. {_K )L$
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 19, 2016, 05:24:16 PM
With 80 grains of powder mine has a hella air space. {_K )L$
Which seems to contradict accepted procedures in a typical muzzleloader and revolver loading about no air space.
But in this case especially if you load it with muzzle facing downward fill and close the breech, the gap would be behind the powder.

But what about carrying out hunting or on the march.
Do you shoulder and shoot, or tip muzzle down to settle the powder?
I doubt anyone did then or does now.
But one must presume(??????) the lack of powder compression would reduce the power of the shot!

Hopefully I can buy or borrow a chrono and compare.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Branko on March 19, 2016, 05:46:35 PM
Well, I'll be getting my paper cutter 59' this fall :)

Going to try it with brass. It just seems really handy, and hell, I could get them machined a bit wider easily enough. If I ever need to hunt buffalo, I guess I could fit 120 grains of loose powder and let it rip. Would make a glorious explosion, that. I'll have to buy a chronograph at some point, really.

The Hungarian shooter who shoots in European BP competitions and runs the capandball store and web channel wrote he's been using 55 grains of BP + 50 grains of filler testing the Pedersoli 59'. Here's the article, it is an interesting read:
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/uploads/riviste/6dpmag5.pdf
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 19, 2016, 06:24:21 PM
I've seen you tube vids of guys loading loose powder and bumping the butt on the ground to get powder to settle in the flash channel leaving the air gap between bullet and powder. I don't do that. When I use loose powder I load it muzzle down. I refuse to use a filler in anything. The manual says not to have an airspace between powder and bullet but that's not fully possible with loose powder. The air gap will just be at the top of the chamber. My chamber will hold 110 grains of powder but even completely filled there is going to be some air gap. Even with paper cartridges there's going to be some gap. No way around it.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Omnivore on March 19, 2016, 06:49:36 PM
Good score, Mike.    (T^.   I've been drooling over the Sharps rifles for years, but so far haven't gone for it.

But who's Ben?

(Just messin' with ya)
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 19, 2016, 07:43:05 PM
But who's Ben?

(Just messin' with ya)

Your hilarious Omnivore.   
Go find yourself a Sharps it'll make you smile.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 19, 2016, 09:59:48 PM
Branko  thanks for attaching the articles.

for a couple that asked, here is a paragraph from it about powder capacity.  Unfortunately it doesn't give the year of manufacture for the weapon. so not sure if it holds true to the ones  1 or more years older, so you will still need to confirm your powder volume.

The powder chamber of the .54 Pedersoli Sharps is really huge .It can accommodate 120 grains
of loose black powder. I believe we do not need this amount for target shooting. The chamber
is set to this size to accept the thick wall, brass cartridges, thus not being filled up completely
with BP. The brass cartridge has a capacity of 60 grains of 3fg powder, so if you plan to use
loose powder, or paper cartridge loading, this is the amount we suggest. Do not forget that you
must not leave an air bubble in the breech, so you will have to use filler (cornwheat) in this case,
to eliminate air from the breech.
------------
However my manual said 80 gr and nothing about a filler. So once again, I will need to take an actual measurement.  Hopefully I can do this tomorrow.

Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 20, 2016, 12:13:54 AM
Do not forget that you
must not leave an air bubble in the breech, so you will have to use filler (cornwheat) in this case,
to eliminate air from the breech.
------------

There is no way to eliminate all of it. The way the breech block is made prohibits that unless you load it from the muzzle.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 20, 2016, 07:20:51 AM
yep I know that.  But I doubt one could actually load that bullet from the muzzle without a 7/16 diameter steel ramrod and Johnnies BFH!
That's a lot of lead to ram home.
The brass cartridge helps eliminate that issue.

Later today I will try to load mine up with bulk powder and see the maximum.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 20, 2016, 12:15:56 PM
yep I know that.  But I doubt one could actually load that bullet from the muzzle without a 7/16 diameter steel ramrod and Johnnies BFH!
That's a lot of lead to ram home.



You'd have to use a PRB. I'd like to see somebody load one of my 557-490 ring tails from the muzzle even using a 7/16 rod and Johnnies BFH. ->i ->i ->i
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 20, 2016, 04:01:06 PM
My plain Jane paper cutter business rifle.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Sharps/100_5038_zpso96jylgz.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/rebel727/media/Sharps/100_5038_zpso96jylgz.jpg.html)

A couple of my dip lubed paper cartridges.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Sharps/100_5042_zpslgeoxuxr.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/rebel727/media/Sharps/100_5042_zpslgeoxuxr.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: M9Powell on March 20, 2016, 04:03:52 PM
Looking good  (T^
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 20, 2016, 04:14:21 PM
Looking good  (T^

Thanks. The table could use some polish. It really doesn't look that bad but the pics bring it out.  {_K
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: bigblue on March 20, 2016, 06:10:00 PM
mike your rifle makes me jealous. does anyone make one of those in 45-90 ?
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 20, 2016, 06:16:01 PM
I believe 45-70,  45-90,  45-110, and 45-120.   At least they used too.   Not sure about the current Italian makers.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 20, 2016, 06:27:49 PM
Pedersoli makes all 45 calibers depending on model. Shiloh Sharps makes all 45 calibers. Not sure about C. Sharps, all I saw was .45 2 1/10(45-70)
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: M9Powell on March 20, 2016, 06:29:26 PM
 Should be pretty simple to ream a 45-70 too any of the above I'd think?
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 20, 2016, 06:55:09 PM
Should be pretty simple to ream a 45-70 too any of the above I'd think?

You're right.  I've seen some that claimed to be reworked to 45-120 that the gunsmith says will fire 45-70 all the way up through 45-120.   Don't know how well that would work though.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 20, 2016, 07:32:41 PM
Should be pretty simple to ream a 45-70 too any of the above I'd think?

The 45-70 is a .45 2 1/10, the 45-120 is a .45 3 1/4 so a lot of bullet jump.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Captainkirk on March 20, 2016, 09:11:27 PM
 
Go find yourself a Sharps it'll make you smile.

Why, I done just that very thing, Mike.
Ain't picked it up yet but I'm smilin' just the same.... :)
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 20, 2016, 09:39:23 PM
 
Go find yourself a Sharps it'll make you smile.

Why, I done just that very thing, Mike.
Ain't picked it up yet but I'm smilin' just the same.... :)
Your smile will change to a grin as son as you pick it up from Mazo.    I hope you get time soon to make the run to WI.   I will be looking forward to comparing notes with you after we both run a hundred or so rounds run through them.    I started loading some cartridges tonight.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: KapundBall on March 22, 2016, 04:49:45 PM
Very nice rifle!  Mine's a Remington rolling block replica. It likes 500 gr paper patched slicks over a duplex load of 11 grs FFFg and 65 grs 1.5 F Old Eynsford.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: M9Powell on March 22, 2016, 05:33:01 PM
Should be pretty simple to ream a 45-70 too any of the above I'd think?

You're right.  I've seen some that claimed to be reworked to 45-120 that the gunsmith says will fire 45-70 all the way up through 45-120.   Don't know how well that would work though.

Should be fine, it headspaces on the rim. Shooting 45-70 in a 45-120 might not have gilt edged accuracy I'd think because you'd be starting the bullet a good way away from the rifling. Kinda like shooting 38 special in a .357 I'd think. I could be wrong, no experience with a Sharps or a 45-120, have had a few 45-70s though.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 22, 2016, 05:48:08 PM
Very nice rifle!  Mine's a Remington rolling block replica. It likes 500 gr paper patched slicks over a duplex load of 11 grs FFFg and 65 grs 1.5 F Old Eynsford.

Hey,  nice to hear from you Kapundball.   Very nice rolling block there.   I haven't ventured into paper patching yet.  Maybe now I'll have a reason to start.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 22, 2016, 05:52:58 PM
Should be fine, it headspaces on the rim. Shooting 45-70 in a 45-120 might not have gilt edged accuracy I'd think because you'd be starting the bullet a good way away from the rifling. Kinda like shooting 38 special in a .357 I'd think. I could be wrong, no experience with a Sharps or a 45-120, have had a few 45-70s though.

I know it's being done by a few guys but like you said,  I think accuracy would suffer at least a little with more than an inch of bullet jump.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: KapundBall on March 23, 2016, 11:25:28 AM
Should be pretty simple to ream a 45-70 too any of the above I'd think?

You're right.  I've seen some that claimed to be reworked to 45-120 that the gunsmith says will fire 45-70 all the way up through 45-120.   Don't know how well that would work though.

Should be fine, it headspaces on the rim. Shooting 45-70 in a 45-120 might not have gilt edged accuracy I'd think because you'd be starting the bullet a good way away from the rifling. Kinda like shooting 38 special in a .357 I'd think. I could be wrong, no experience with a Sharps or a 45-120, have had a few 45-70s though.

This is my opinion, not gospel:  :)

Seating the bullet more than, at most, 1/8" off the lands in a BPCR has a negative impact on accuracy and will likely promote leading. We should be shooting pure lead or, nothing harder than BHN 10, over BP in these rifles. While this is good for obturation and creating an excellent gas seal for both consistent velocity and to diminish the likelihood of gas cutting, it means a bullet very susceptible to deformation between exiting case mouth and entering rifling. There is a very good reason that breech seating was de rigeur in black powder Sheutzen.

Firing a 45-70 cartridge in a 45-120 chamber will cause a @ .460" bullet to travel nearly an 1" from case mouth to rifling through a @.480 chamber. Or, it may cause a .460" bullet to obturate out towards the .480" chamber walls, only to be "resized" at the leade to about .459". That can't be good and, certainly with paper patched bullets, would be disastrous. In my opinion, there are several negatives to be associated with this. First, the potential for misalignment and leading at the leade are substantial. Secondly, there will be substantial gas and residue blow-by. If we wipe and dry barrels after every shot in long range BPCR shooting to enhance accuracy, then this tells me that spewing a good deal of residue and unburnt powder down the barrel ahead of the bullet, even if it doesn't result in inconsistent velocities, which it will, would have a negative impact on accuracy. Then there is the possibility of gas cutting.

A 45-120 is indeed a mighty beast. A 535 gr bullet at @ 1400 fps is a 1000 yard cartridge. There may have been a time when there was even a need for such a cartridge. But 500 grs at 1300 (from the 45-70) doesn't seem to be insufficient for any but the most extreme BPCR competitor or vaguely ethical hunter. So, in my opinion, the downsides to a 45-120, other than grin factor, outweigh the upsides.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 23, 2016, 11:50:45 AM
We should be shooting pure lead or, nothing harder than BHN 10, over BP in these rifles.

My paper cutter will lead like a B***H with pure lead. It won't lead at all with a BHN of 12 or so.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 23, 2016, 12:43:53 PM
Only pure lead cast bullets go in my rifles.   I passed on the rifle that was 45-70 reamed to 120.   I don't have enough faith in the ability of someone I don't know to perform modifications like that and then declare that it works perfectly.  I have viewed several for sale on GunBroker that have been reworked and claims made that they shoot all cartridge lengths.   I don't want to try it though. 
I do think a 45-120 might be fun to play with for a while.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 23, 2016, 12:50:43 PM
Only pure lead cast bullets go in my rifles. 

I'm that way with all the rest but this one can't handle it. It doesn't lead at all with harder tho. (^h
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: mike116 on March 23, 2016, 01:32:09 PM
Hope this Sharps repro isn't that way.   I like using the same lead for everything.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Len on March 23, 2016, 01:44:12 PM
Looking good  (T^

Thanks. The table could use some polish. It really doesn't look that bad but the pics bring it out.  {_K

I didn't notice the table, just drooled over the rifle
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 23, 2016, 02:21:55 PM
Hope this Sharps repro isn't that way.   I like using the same lead for everything.

It's not that big a deal for me. I just use the same lead I do for smokeless but then I use pure for my .45 ACP so I was already out of whack on it. I couldn't believe what my bore looked like after just 20 rounds of pure tho. It took some doing to get it out even with a Chore Boy. ^y%
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 25, 2016, 11:45:15 AM
Finally  had time to dig out the sharps and the rounds and powder.

The bullets are from the Pedersoli mould  with pure lead they drop at 524 grains
they are 1.166 inches long.
This can be part of the powder volume variance.
Pedersoli manual on mine said 80gr fffg      mine is 54. cal.
Mine the very max level load in chamber behind the bullet that is just dropped in is   95 gr.
So for somebody using a smaller 475 gr bullet, you might get a bit more powder.
Plus there could be a variance between years of manufacture and brands.
I think mine is 2012 or 2013 will have to look later

Anyway it will take at least 2 posts for the pictures.
1st picture the bullets and a tied tail paper cartridge. the block cuts it off quite nicely.
      someday I might make a flat end, but I like the brass ones anyway.
2nd    part of the block action, tin of 4 wing musket caps, 2 bullets and my 35 yr old revolver flask
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 25, 2016, 11:48:32 AM
couple more pictures
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 25, 2016, 12:21:33 PM

Mine the very max level load in chamber behind the bullet that is just dropped in is   95 gr.
So for somebody using a smaller 475 gr bullet, you might get a bit more powder.


mine are 490 grain ring tails. Notice the driving bands are different diameters.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Sharps/ringtail007_zps5500e714.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/rebel727/media/Sharps/ringtail007_zps5500e714.jpg.html)

 I push them in til the front band crunches into the rifling, that way it can't fall back any. loading them that way mine will hold 110 grains but I started making paper cartridges that hold 80 grains and they are a perfect fit.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Sharps/100_5042_zpslgeoxuxr.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/rebel727/media/Sharps/100_5042_zpslgeoxuxr.jpg.html)

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Sharps/100_5050_zpswtfcqv7l.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/rebel727/media/Sharps/100_5050_zpswtfcqv7l.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Kaeto on March 25, 2016, 12:25:48 PM
 J:_ J:_ J:_ J:_ J:_ S#+ S#+ S#+ S#+
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 25, 2016, 05:41:19 PM
I have some ring tails I got from Dixie.  They are made for attaching a paper cartridge to.
I am hoping the 2nd sunday in April is a very good day and they have an informal shoot at the BP range here. Want to try to use up my paper cartridges ( 28) and then my brass ones.
Using up the paper ones. might goad me into making some new flat bottomed ones.
My range really isn't long enough for this sharps.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 25, 2016, 06:17:36 PM
I have some ring tails I got from Dixie.  They are made for attaching a paper cartridge to.


Yeah, I know but talk about a PITA to make. )L$
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 26, 2016, 07:00:12 AM
I have some ring tails I got from Dixie.  They are made for attaching a paper cartridge to.


Yeah, I know but talk about a PITA to make. )L$
Yep those live ringtails can be a real PITA to contend with!
Have to import them from Dixie as not too many around here.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 26, 2016, 10:01:14 AM
I have some ring tails I got from Dixie.  They are made for attaching a paper cartridge to.


Yeah, I know but talk about a PITA to make. )L$
Yep those live ringtails can be a real PITA to contend with!
Have to import them from Dixie as not too many around here.

I bought a mold from Moose Molds. It was expensive compared to my Lee's but it's very well made and came with handles. I tried to find a used Lyman but they were hard to find and people that had them were extremely proud of them.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Sharps/moose013_zpsfe7db23c.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/rebel727/media/Sharps/moose013_zpsfe7db23c.jpg.html)

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Sharps/003_zpsf1b48eaa.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/rebel727/media/Sharps/003_zpsf1b48eaa.jpg.html)

They carry a lot of hard to find molds
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 26, 2016, 11:42:48 AM
they custom make the moulds as ordered.
I got my Smith mould from them.

But my sharps mould came from Pedersoli
Roughly the same price.

Accurate moulds also does a ringtail

http://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=54-475R-D.png
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 26, 2016, 02:22:36 PM


Accurate moulds also does a ringtail

http://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=54-475R-D.png

That's not what I would call a ring tail. Mine is an IAB and I did a lot of research on bullet sizes before I bought my mold. That one is only .547 in diameter which will probably work ok in the Pedersoli which has a smaller bore than the IAB. My biggest ring is .557 in diameter
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 26, 2016, 03:24:27 PM
with accurate moulds you can have him tailor a mould he already has to your specs or do a complete custom one.  Lot of options  Of course he isn't cheapeither.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 26, 2016, 04:59:40 PM
with accurate moulds you can have him tailor a mould he already has to your specs or do a complete custom one.  Lot of options  Of course he isn't cheapeither.

I don't do much expensive stuff, don't do anywhere near expensive now. If my Sharps hadn't had such an oddball bore I would have found something that worked whether it was a ring tail or not but I figured since I was paying 125.00 bucks for a freakin mold I was going to get what I wanted.  )L$ That is almost twice the highest price I have ever paid for a bullet mold. The next most expensive was 65.00(shipped) for an RCBS 255 grain Keith mold for my last 1911.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 26, 2016, 06:12:59 PM
I don't mean to come off sounding like a cheap a$$ prick but that's what I am. (k- There was a time I'd have done it and not thought twice about it but those days are just a distant memory now.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 27, 2016, 07:03:46 AM
I don't mean to come off sounding like a cheap a$$ prick but that's what I am. (k- There was a time I'd have done it and not thought twice about it but those days are just a distant memory now.
Me thinks you may have a one or two too many adjectives in that there description M__ (?^

But in all things you normally get what you pay for.
My Smith mould from Moose  was $180   and accurate moulds for a genel sized 2 cavity is $190+
But generally they are custom built one at a time. Thus more attention to detail and quality.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 27, 2016, 09:07:10 AM
If I'd had to pay 180.00 for a mold I still wouldn't have it. )L$ I thought all the Moose molds were the same price.
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: DD4lifeusmc on March 27, 2016, 08:17:18 PM
If I'd had to pay 180.00 for a mold I still wouldn't have it. )L$ I thought all the Moose molds were the same price.
My Smith was Moose  and ran me right at $180  no handles, but I think that was shipping to.
Also because I needed mine a bit bigger than his standard  listing.
My Sharps is Pedersoli  forget the price
My revolver are accurate  and $190+
Title: Re: Ben waiting for this
Post by: Hawg on March 27, 2016, 08:59:04 PM
If I'd had to pay 180.00 for a mold I still wouldn't have it. )L$ I thought all the Moose molds were the same price.
My Smith was Moose  and ran me right at $180  no handles, but I think that was shipping to.
Also because I needed mine a bit bigger than his standard  listing.
My Sharps is Pedersoli  forget the price
My revolver are accurate  and $190+

Wow! My Moose was 125.00 with handles and they sent it on and let me take three months to pay for it.