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Offline DD4lifeusmc

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multi shot flintlocks
« on: November 01, 2015, 09:49:50 AM »
Most of us have probably read about the Puckle gun   a multi shot before reloading flintlock, tripod mounted rifle.

Did you also know it used multiple spare cylinders?    so   the "spare" cylinder idea for our Remingtons was around about 110 years before the Remington was designed.
Wikipedia is the easiest link to give.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun

But how many have heard of this one.  Rumored to have shot 6 times faster than the Puckle!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.no/2014/02/the-kalthoff-repeater.html

or maybe this one
http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-lorenzoni-repeater.html




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Re: multi shot flintlocks
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2015, 10:35:05 AM »
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    I personally hadn't heard of any of those. Great info....Thanks for the post.
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Re: multi shot flintlocks
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2015, 12:22:14 PM »
There were many rapid fire designs, going back to a hand-crank repeating, magazine-fed arrow launcher in Ancient Rome.

I take this as compelling evidence, if not proof, that rapid fire capability was NOT generally considered desirable in the hands of regular infantry.  If it had been, there were certainly options as you have demonstrated, and yet that available technology was not widely pursued by military strategists and governments.

Even today, in this post Sturmgewehre world, we still have the three round burst as a means of limiting the expenditure of ammunition in automatic fire.  The primary American self-loader of W.W. II topped off at eight rounds.  The original AR-15 came with a maximum 20 round magazine, not 30.  The M1911 pistol topped off at eight rounds at time when 15 round pistols were available. So one could argue that military leadership around the world has been trying to prevent, or hold back, rapid or high volume individual fire for almost as long as the firearm has existed.
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Re: multi shot flintlocks
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2015, 12:50:51 PM »
Geeezzz I'm learning something new. (T^ Thinks DD. (k-
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Re: multi shot flintlocks
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2015, 03:11:46 PM »
Prevent.  Yes.  There is a supply issue behind the rate of fire.  Let a trooper tote 300 rnds that he can use up in a minute, and 61 seconds later he's calling for more supplies.  Who's gonna get another 300 rounds to him?  How?  From where?  And how long will it take?  And, btw, did the consumer actually *hit* anything of value with those 300 rounds?
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Re: multi shot flintlocks
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 07:41:42 PM »
There were several early flintlock gunsmiths building "swivel-breech" rifles, which (typically, but not always -) had two separate barrels, frizzens and pans (some models had up to 4 barrels). Check out this video from the NRA museum. I imagine this as a "long hunter" item (if you were out stalking dinner all day and finally got into a shooting position, would you want one or two shots?).

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Re: multi shot flintlocks
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2015, 07:30:31 AM »
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            Interesting video! Some of the others at that sight informative also.
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Re: multi shot flintlocks
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2017, 12:41:27 AM »
THREAD FROM THE DEAD!!!

I chanced across this one from DD4, which sent me down the rabitt hole... and found a cool diagram of how a lorenzoni loads:
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/lorgir_pistol/lgp_pics/lorenzoni.jpg

which made me think.... hmmm pellets DO have place....

and then I found this guys insnely amusing site:
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments.html

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Re: multi shot flintlocks
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2017, 06:25:01 AM »
thanks for that link
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