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Offline joewolz

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Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« on: July 05, 2019, 09:58:51 AM »

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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2019, 10:44:07 AM »
Yes it does. You can really tell a difference between 2F and 4F.
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2019, 02:33:13 PM »
Ok, follow up question, can I blow up my gun doing this?

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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2019, 04:16:54 PM »
Ok, follow up question, can I blow up my gun doing this?

I don't know if you would blow up a modern steel cylinder with it but even if you didn't it might possibly get enough pressure through the nipple to blow the hammer back to full cock and maybe do it hard enough to damage internal parts. I don't know that it will but with a standard load there is some hammer push. It just seems to me the more pressure the farther back the hammer will go.
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2019, 08:04:01 PM »
The gun Mr. Keith blew up was most likely a first generation SAA that was MADE for black powder cartridges in the first place.
.44/40 rifle loads were 40gr BP....but weren't .44 Army Revolver loads only 28 grains?
yes, they would fit either firearm, but while shooting rifle rounds was do-able in revolvers, it was better to shoot the lighter loads in them.

or am I just crazy here?
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2019, 08:48:11 PM »
The gun Mr. Keith blew up was most likely a first generation SAA that was MADE for black powder cartridges in the first place.
.44/40 rifle loads were 40gr BP....but weren't .44 Army Revolver loads only 28 grains?
yes, they would fit either firearm, but while shooting rifle rounds was do-able in revolvers, it was better to shoot the lighter loads in them.

or am I just crazy here?

The army used .45 Colt's with 30 grains of powder behind a 250 grain bullet. Civilian .45's were loaded with 35 grains of powder behind a 250 grain bullet. After the 92 Winchester came out they made some rifle only 44-40 ammo for those but the .45 Colt had no special rifle ammo.
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2019, 07:25:33 PM »
Thanks for rephrasing what I said
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2019, 11:38:16 PM »
Thanks for rephrasing what I said

How was it rephrasing? Actually I made a faux pas, there was no .45 Colt rifle ammo. :-[
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2019, 04:01:38 PM »
if you can't comprehend the closeness of your reply to my 1st statement, ....i'll never be able to make you understand.
like yelling at a rock
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2019, 05:46:43 PM »
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".  
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2019, 06:09:40 PM »
if you can't comprehend the closeness of your reply to my 1st statement, ....i'll never be able to make you understand.
like yelling at a rock

You were saying the army used .44 SAA's, they didn't. The army used .45 Colts. You said 44-40 rifle ammo was usable in pistols. It wasn't. The rifle only 44-40 ammo  was only usable in an 1892 Winchester.
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Re: Duplicating and Elmer Keith Experiment
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2021, 08:48:07 AM »
I'm pretty sure the SAA Elmer blew up was a .45 Colt and he used a 300 grain .45/90 cast bullet seated over as much black powder as he could stuff in the case. Nothing to do with .44 WCF, nor with any factory load.