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Percussion Rifles / Re: Felix Escoffier
« Last post by Hawg on August 01, 2021, 09:24:40 PM »
I've had a couple of those yataghan bayonets, still have one but I have no idea what it fits. The muzzle ring is huge.  The one with the large muzzle ring is on the bottom.

'Other' / Re: Allen&Wheelock
« Last post by Miguel Loco on August 01, 2021, 04:21:09 PM »
Sweet! She gets to fire again!
Percussion Rifles / Re: Felix Escoffier
« Last post by Miguel Loco on August 01, 2021, 04:19:45 PM »
That makes it one loooooong gun! Looks great!
1858 Remington Revolvers / Re: No 116067
« Last post by Racing on August 01, 2021, 02:19:30 PM »

So. A few needed spares showed up. That there unfinished front sight we get as "raw material" where basically the raw shape and the threads are what´s done.
Rest is a matter of fitting..

Anyways. A trigger/bolt return spring showed up as well and with that installed it turned out the bolt didn´t fit as well as it should. So handled that.
Then, that done, it turned out that the fresh hand is overly long making the cylinder overshoot it´s bolt stop.

Yeah well. We´re getting there at least.
Percussion Rifles / Re: Felix Escoffier
« Last post by Racing on August 01, 2021, 02:16:42 PM »
I know all to well that it´s a regular Chassepot bolt action in the pic, but that´s besides the point as..
I picked this OEM bayonet up on the fly for the Chassepot but see this Felix Escoffier sports the exact same bracketry so...

Good ol´ Fredrick there is no shorty at least with his 185cm (approx 6´2") buuut.. that combo there reaches over TWO FRIGGIN METERS!  {:(
That ain´t no bayo...that´s a friggin SWORD!

Had to massage the brass part of it a bit to make it fit but that done we were in business.
So next thing up now is to have that thing sharpened razor sharp. We´re aiming for katana level here...  )L$ )L$
'Other' / Re: Allen&Wheelock
« Last post by Racing on August 01, 2021, 02:13:00 PM »
No pics today, but to give you guys an idea...
Spent a little time with the bolt which made fit way better and lockup absolutely positive as well as instant.

The trigger job though, or lack thereof more to the point.
In all honesty i ended up cutting the width of the trigger return spring alone back an easy 75%!!  {:( {:(
Then handed the sear surfaces on the hammer some attention and bottom line now is a gun that both runs like clockwork and sports a trigger to USE.

So. Next up... range time. Going to start handing it 30 grains followed by a 145 grains roundball.
'Other' / Re: Allen&Wheelock
« Last post by Dave Shooter on August 01, 2021, 08:10:37 AM »
Thanks Racing! A fascinating piece of 19th century design!
'Other' / Re: Allen&Wheelock
« Last post by Len on August 01, 2021, 05:19:46 AM »
Thanks Racing, for taking us thru this iron. Looking forward to your range report  (T^
Would also appreciate your opinion about how it feels, balances and such in the hand (you know the perpetual quarrel about the size of the Remi grips)
'Other' / Re: Allen&Wheelock
« Last post by Hawg on August 01, 2021, 03:09:54 AM »
That's awesome Racing. You always come up with the neatest stuff to work on. I had an Allen & Wheelock .22 made in 1858 but I traded it off. It was a direct infringement on the Rollin White patent. S&W paid White a royalty of 25 cents for every revolver they sold with a bored through cylinder but White had to defend it against infringement. White liquidated his company in 1864 as a result. The top gun is a Bacon .31 pocket pistol about the same size as a 49 Colt. It too was made in 1858. Serial number is 606 out of about 3000.

'Other' / Allen&Wheelock
« Last post by Racing on August 01, 2021, 01:40:38 AM »

Might be some of you have nor seen or heard of this but.. here it is. An Army sized revolver. Ie; a 44cal.
Production No´s are said to be around 750pcs.

One rather unique feature, of several, is that the nipples are screwed in from within the chamber. Each of them carries a regular slot for a screwdriver.
Sry to say some Mr Handyman had been at it and had "oumph´d" the head off of one of them why i thus far have removed only 5 of the 6 of them.

Gun is with me cause "hammer can´t reach the caps". Might be.. and we´ll get to that, but here´s another note... why i always unbolt the barrels on old guns. Rust.
Revolvers, pistols, rifles.. i don´t care. Get them out of there. I´ve come to see downright WONDERFUL looking old rifles, issue is that the barrel hasn´t been out of the stock for the last 80yrs and...pitted beyond belief.
Lesson learned IOW.

Welp. Basics. What can i say?  :)

Indeed. There´s been a bit of debate on when these guns were put into production and it seems the general consensus these days is 1861. Allen was involved in a number of law suits and.. yeah well.
Due that some claim 1863 but.. then there´s an order by the army i believe from back in 1861 through some merchant or whatever..

Ah! Well. Yeah. It wouldn´t snap the caps off. As it turned out both the cylinder forward axial thrust point and the barrel were worn. Rather extensive actually. So material was added to both and end shake reset. Turned out rather well actually and end shake is all in at 4/100mm (from a former approx 2mm)
Yep. The material is weldable alright. Here a shim cut has been taken off the front face and thrust point is awaiting to have material added.

Uhu. Came to hand lap the minimum at the end even  }), All well that ends well though.

Yes. They´re unique even within. As much as the innards reminds of Allens pepper boxes from way back.. Thing is that the hand of the gun engages rather late in the cycle leaving a gun that  does not go "clack clack clack" as you spin the cylinder. In half cock notch the cylinder actually spins completely free - in either direction.
Lockup tho is nothing short of bank vault, and per usual engages a bolt and what not right..
Sideplate, that needs to be removed to work on the innards, is held in place by a screw that doubles as fulcrum point for the hammer. So as you unbolt that the sideplate wanders off by itself so to say.

Speaking of unique.. that there little latch is to pry rearwards...

..which lets the trigger guard/rammer down, and this is of course how you load the gun.

Although worn the rifling on this piece is still rather intact. Cust has asked me to put a No of cylinders through it before shipping it back to him.. did i mention that these jobs suck? Pity me huh?  )L$ )L$

What it IS in dire need of though is a trigger job. The trigger return spring alone is like moving a brick wall, so that needs to be taken care of as the intent is to shoot this gun at 25m comps.

Anyways. A really really cool piece of US history is sure back up and running, like a champ even. Only drawback at the end of the day being that broken off, from within mind you, nipple.
We´ll see what to do about that but i guess we´ll have to bring Solidworks out and rev the CNC up again...
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