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Offline Classanr

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Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« on: August 31, 2013, 07:41:39 PM »
Everything works.
Very strong hammer springs.
Nice easy trigger release.
Very tight hinge.
Very minoe nicks in any wood or metal.
Center front ball sight.

Very slight dent about 3/4 up the r/h barrel, outside.  Somebody bumped something.
Blueing (can be seen in photos) worn off around action and trigger guard, and going up the barrel.
Blueing is actually more like a "browning", a dark suntan.
No rust anywhere.

Inside of barrels are not "as-new", but not corroded out either.

You can see the butt plate and stampings (all are hidden under the lever-action removable forearm, serial # only on forearm = 22197  with 06 between ser# and screw).
Digits 5 stamped on underside of each barrel adjacent to forearm latch.
P stamped on underside of left-hand barrel (seen on left in photo as well).

Wood has been refinished.
Wood has "checked" outside of, and following along the path of the metal housing for the action.  Not actually a crack in the stock, but some fatigue where the hand carving of the raised wood meets the long flow of rest of the stock.

First question:  Is this the real deal?
Second question:  1877 paper hulls came out.  Would this safely fire paper hulls?
Third question:  Other than TOTW for brass shells, where does one look for shells?
Fourth question:  Max load Classanr dares to put through this (payload and BP)?
Fifth question:  When was it made?
Sixth question:  Was $300 too much to pay?

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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2013, 08:02:32 PM »
Good looking old Remington. I passed on one a few years ago for 250 so 300 is probably about right for these days. I wouldn't shoot smokeless out of it and chamber length is probably short.
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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 09:18:47 AM »
It is a fake.   Send it to me . . . . I'll give you the $ 300 plus cost to ship . . . . .   ;)






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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 11:16:37 AM »
Nice score on the double! I like the outside hammer guns; I have a model 1900 12 ga. in very nice shape, but no external hammers.

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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 07:13:01 PM »
Classanr, I don't know anything about it...But I like it!  {?|
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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2013, 05:10:07 PM »
Damascus barrel or is that just the pic?

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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2013, 05:38:35 PM »
Damascus barrel or is that just the pic?

Dealer claims it to be Damascus, but I have not a clue, nor, without sawing a chunk off and testing, do I know how to ascertain.

What seems to be the crucial point of failure would be where the barrels are soldered to the center strip.  The metal is slathered in acid, heated, then the solder is sweated in.  The acid between the barrels just sits there.  If the solder seam fails, moisture gets in, and the barrels corrode along the joint.

Magnaflux the metal seems to be the best safety instruction.

Or shoot a proof load  ->i

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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2013, 06:41:31 PM »
They are indeed damascus.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2013, 09:06:13 AM »
Read a cool article about "Real Damascus steel", according to the article, what we have is an imitation of the original medieval steel, as the method was lost not long after the Crusades. The original Damascus steel was made in such a way that the high carbon points were compressed into high-tensile carbon nanotubes. Some scientists recently, accidentally, discovered how to make it while attempting to create something called "plastic steel." I think the article is on MentalFloss.com.

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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 08:43:42 PM »
They are indeed damascus.
"...without sawing a chunk off and testing, do I know how to ascertain..."
Or one can always ask Hawg, who has a keen eye for this sort of detail.
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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 08:55:47 PM »
Read a cool article about "Real Damascus steel", according to the article, what we have is an imitation of the original medieval steel, as the method was lost not long after the Crusades. The original Damascus steel was made in such a way that the high carbon points were compressed into high-tensile carbon nanotubes. Some scientists recently, accidentally, discovered how to make it while attempting to create something called "plastic steel." I think the article is on MentalFloss.com.

I did find similar information with internet searching.  Several wiki articles point to the same information.  Apparently, the trick is to cook the steel with chunks of special charcoal in the crucible, making it a very high carbon steel, and thus mallable, not brittle, yet able to hold a sharp edge.  The nanotubes part I had not seen before.  Thank you for bringing that up.

Japanese samauri swords, beaten, folded, beaten, folded a bazillion times draws all the grain into many parallel layers, some swords counted at millions (!) of layers.  Continual heating in a smoky fire possibly accomplishes the same thing as chunks of charcoal in the initial crucible.

I think I will call this my 10gauge dual nanotube, with organic support system.

Now, if I can only figure out how to take it apart with out messing it up.  I can't find diagram one after hours of searching.  I'm usually pretty good at working these out, but this one looks like it's all pinned together.  For instance, once the forearm is off, shouldn't the barrels disengage at the pivot point?  The fitment on this thing is amazing, and it really wants to stay together.

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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2013, 07:49:36 AM »
They are indeed damascus.
"...without sawing a chunk off and testing, do I know how to ascertain..."
Or one can always ask Hawg, who has a keen eye for this sort of detail.
Thank you, Hawg, for saving some wear on my hacksaw blade.

You can see the weld patterns in the last pic.
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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2013, 09:55:23 AM »
That shootgun would fetch close to $3.000 at an auction in Europe

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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2013, 03:29:44 PM »
They are indeed damascus.
"...without sawing a chunk off and testing, do I know how to ascertain..."
Or one can always ask Hawg, who has a keen eye for this sort of detail.
Thank you, Hawg, for saving some wear on my hacksaw blade.

You can see the weld patterns in the last pic.
 

Yeah, really, the Damascus twist is obvious.  Otherwise, I love that shotgun!  But, what is that logo on the buttplate.  It looks like an ES.  ??
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Re: Did Classanr purchase a true 1885 Remington 10g SxS?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2013, 06:58:46 PM »
what is that logo on the buttplate.  It looks like an ES.  ??

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