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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2019, 12:52:20 PM »
The Uberti cylinder must be a tad longer than the original. I think you'd be better off facing the cylinder to fit.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2019, 01:12:15 PM »
Well, I took out Mr Dremel and trimmed that replica wedge down poco a poco.

Aaaaaand everything is functioning perfectly. At half cock the cylinder spins like a roulette wheel. At full cock the indexing is perfect.

The lockup with the trigger pulled and the hammer dropped is rock solid. A resounding success subject to test firing.

I just need to collect my new nipple key and remove the Uberti nipples and put some anti-seize copper compound on the threads before test firing it  (T^ 


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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2019, 05:59:24 PM »
Awesome! Are you going to remove the bluing from the Uberti cylinder? Evapo-rust will easily remove bluing but I'm not sure they sell it where you are.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #63 on: April 12, 2019, 12:42:44 AM »
I haven't decided on that yet, I'm going to test fire it first.

Plain old vinegar will take the bluing off no problem. I'm going to load her up with 15 grains of Santa Barbara black powder topped off with a filler and a .375" Hornady round ball........................Vamos a ver !
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2019, 09:58:53 AM »
Had a gunsmithing day today in a friends workshop. The original cylinder has been soaking in 3 in 1 penetrating oil since I got the gun.
My Ted Cash ratchet nipple key arrived from America. First job I put the cylinder in the vice with the soft jaws and the nipples unscrewed all the way out, a little bit tighter than normal but all six are out  {?|.

Next job was to put the Uberti cylinder in the lathe and face it off. The length of the Uberti was 1.836".................Original is 1.833" not any more, they are now both the same length !

I had previously filed the replica wedge down to allow the Uberti cylinder to rotate with it's original length but the barrel to frame fit was too sloppy. So I took Hawg's advice and refaced the new cylinder.

So then we Tig welded the front edge of the new replica wedge and filed it down to give a tight fit of the barrel to the frame.

The loading lever was slopping about from side to side very loosely. So today I installed a replica barrel lug and loading lever catch I bought from Peter Dyson in the U.K. These are replica parts for original revolvers............There is still a bit of side to side movement but the lever locks in place very securely and doesn't slop about all loose like before  (T^

So now I need to buy some nipples for the original cylinder.

She needs a range day this week if I can.

 
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2019, 10:58:39 AM »
I had a bit of a sort out of my gun junk today and found various sets of revolver nipples. The ones in the picture screwed in perfectly. I can't remember what make they are, but hey they are in there with a good coating of copper anti seize compound on the threads.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2019, 07:41:39 PM »
Glad you got the nipples out, that's always a significant accomplishment. Some of the old repros used the same nipple threads as the original Colt's. When I bought replacement nipples for my Gregorelli & Uberti and my Centaure revolvers they both accepted Track of The Wolf's replacement nipples for original Colt's.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2019, 10:10:36 PM »
... they are in there with a good coating of copper anti seize compound on the threads.

What is the very best anti seize compound to use for our firearm purposes?

Necessary Evil uses a type that has Copper flakes (that fact alone may answer my question).  Some years ago a variety with Nichol flakes was highly recommended here.  I have been using an inexpensive Aluminum type because it was available at the local HWS.  I started using it on the cones only but now I put a little on gun screws too for prophylaxis and preventive health care.  ::)

For my purposes and at this point a container will probably last the duration but I would like to use the best.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2019, 03:10:14 AM »


Glad you got the nipples out, that's always a significant accomplishment. Some of the old repros used the same nipple threads as the original Colt's. When I bought replacement nipples for my Gregorelli & Uberti and my Centaure revolvers they both accepted Track of The Wolf's replacement nipples for original Colt's.

Yeah, you and me both  (T^ I honestly thought they were well and truly "welded" in there, but hey thanks to Mr 3 in 1 penetrating oil and the QUALITY Ted Cash nipple wrench yep they just unscrewed. I knew it was too good to be true with the replica nipples though. The thread may be correct but the cones are too long. So when they are capped up they foul on the recoil shield. Never mind I'll have to get some Track of the Wolf ?

The new Uberti cylinder works perfectly though. I'm going to the range tomorrow.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2019, 03:15:18 AM »
... they are in there with a good coating of copper anti seize compound on the threads.

What is the very best anti seize compound to use for our firearm purposes?

Necessary Evil uses a type that has Copper flakes (that fact alone may answer my question).  Some years ago a variety with Nichol flakes was highly recommended here.  I have been using an inexpensive Aluminum type because it was available at the local HWS.  I started using it on the cones only but now I put a little on gun screws too for prophylaxis and preventive health care.  ::)


For my purposes and at this point a container will probably last the duration but I would like to use the best.

It's automotive product that comes in a tube, a bit like a toothpaste tube ? I have had it for years, it keeps ok and really does do the job. First thing I do with all my BP revolvers is remove the nipples, coat the threads with copper slip and screw them back in. I have NEVER had a problem with stuck nipples on any gun I have bought new.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2019, 01:41:40 PM »
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I had previously filed the replica wedge down to allow the Uberti cylinder to rotate with it's original length but the barrel to frame fit was too sloppy. So I took Hawg's advice and refaced the new cylinder.

Yes; it is the position at which the barrel comes hard against the front end of the arbor which determines the fit.  The wedge merely secures that fit.  The order of operations then would be to establish the fit (barrel-to-cylinder gap) and then see to adjusting the wedge if necessary.

It took me years to understand this because so many were explaining it incorrectly and I let them influence me against my better judgement.  The Pettifogger (sp?) articles finally made it crystal clear.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #71 on: May 16, 2019, 05:18:06 PM »
Yes; it is the position at which the barrel comes hard against the front end of the arbor which determines the fit.  The wedge merely secures that fit.  The order of operations then would be to establish the fit (barrel-to-cylinder gap) and then see to adjusting the wedge if necessary.

If the arbor bottoms out into the barrel lug arbor recess with the proper barrel/cylinder gap, the wedge has nothing to do with the barrel-to-cylinder gap. The sole purpose of the wedge is to secure the barrel to the arbor/frame. If one is using it to adjust the B/C gap then the arbor to arbor lug recess is not correct. The original Colt manual says to securely fit the wedge (as in pounding it in) when reassembling the gun.

Anyone using a wedge to adjust the B/C gap is looking to shoot the gun loose sooner or later.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2019, 11:24:08 AM »
Yesterday, Friday I took my Colt / Uberti Navy hybrid and my Uberti .44 Remington to the range. Both targets below fired two handed grip, free standing at TEN metres.

The Colt was loaded with 17 grains BY WEIGHT of Santa Barbara BP with semolina filler and a .375" dia Hornady round ball. Remington No 10 caps. I sprayed the end of the loaded chambers with olive oil which was very messy.

The Uberti 28 grains by volume same powder, semolina, .454" home cast round ball and olive oil. Even more messy. Wiped the grips down with kitchen roll and let rip with 'em.

Accuracy wise......... nothing to choose between them. That .36 Navy very pleasant to shoot, so much so I am thinking of buying an brand new UBERTI Colt Navy replica ?

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2019, 08:55:39 PM »
Nice targets. You can't go wrong with a new Uberti 1851 Navy. Mine is one of my favorite cap n' ballers.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2019, 03:11:34 AM »
Nice targets. You can't go wrong with a new Uberti 1851 Navy. Mine is one of my favorite cap n' ballers.

Yes this 167 year old girl shoots superbly, feels great in my hand and points beautifully. I am seriously thinking about a brand new Uberti replica of her......................Seriously .

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