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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2019, 03:38:54 PM »
" Highway robbery"...................I am a retired Police Officer sir, I could almost be offended at such a scurrilous allegation.............Just kidding !

Nope, the guy just wanted rid of it. I gave him his asking price................. Aint no teefs around here.

How lucky was I ?

Thanks Hawg, I'll have a look.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2019, 05:16:04 AM »
A dealer in Belgium on an auction site is asking 950€ this this crock of CRAP.......

https://subastas.catawiki.es/kavels/25058055-estados-unidos-de-america-colt-model-1860-cavalry-percusion-revolver-44


He's gotta be kidding ?

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2019, 06:51:57 AM »
How much is 950 in USA?
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2019, 08:58:30 AM »

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2019, 10:18:08 AM »
$1080?
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2019, 03:29:29 PM »
A dealer in Belgium on an auction site is asking 950€ this this crock of CRAP.......

https://subastas.catawiki.es/kavels/25058055-estados-unidos-de-america-colt-model-1860-cavalry-percusion-revolver-44


He's gotta be kidding ?

Maybe in Belgium but since it's a war date it would bring that here. Colt's bring more than Remingtons here anyway.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2019, 06:29:07 AM »
OK gents, next question.

I have found a dealer in England who sells reproduction parts for original Colts. He does all of the screws etc. I am thinking of replacing all of the screws with new ones and keeping the originals and any other internal parts replaced to one side.

He wants SIX Pounds Sterling for each screw that's 84 Pounds. I can get a full set of blued UBERTI screws for 18 Pounds.

Does anybody know if the Uberti screws fit my original ?

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2019, 10:58:53 AM »
OK gents, next question.

I have found a dealer in England who sells reproduction parts for original Colts. He does all of the screws etc. I am thinking of replacing all of the screws with new ones and keeping the originals and any other internal parts replaced to one side.

He wants SIX Pounds Sterling for each screw that's 84 Pounds. I can get a full set of blued UBERTI screws for 18 Pounds.

Does anybody know if the Uberti screws fit my original ?

I'm pretty sure Uberti threads are going to be metric.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2019, 11:25:35 AM »
Check for parts that fit the Colt 2nd Gen. Should match the originals unless the threads are metric to prevent fraud.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2019, 01:32:19 PM »
Metric............................I suspected that.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2019, 04:11:23 AM »
I was watching a video by Cap and Ball the Hungarian gun dealer on YouTube. He was shooting and Original Colt Navy versus an Uberti repro. At around the three forty mark he puts the original cylinder into the Uberti and it certainly appears to function perfectly. So this has got me thinking.

I have decided to keep this old Colt as a shooter as the dealers all appear to of the opinion that it has no collector value and they want it for free !

I am intending to try replacing the nipples in the cylinder as they appear to need it. However if I can't remove them ( I don't want to do any damage ) I was wondering if a repro cylinder would fit ?

Dixie gun works has them for sale and they state that they DO fit the original Colt https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/1489/category/395/category_chain/392,393,394,395/product_name/CY0605+Cylinder+for+the+Uberti+Colt+1851+Navy+or+Original+.36+Navy+Revolver

Has anybody tried this with an Uberti cylinder in an original with any success ? ............................Thoughts and observations please gents.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2019, 12:48:57 PM »
n-evil
don't know about Pietta cylinders in originals, but noticed you couldn't get the original nipples out. Yes, they could be a PITA, but it is doable. You just need a very tight fitting nipple wrench (and it should be so tight that you have to tap it onto the nipple). Then you need  two perfect fitting brass rods going into two of the juxtaposed cambers of the cylinder and put the rods up in a good vise. The cylinder thus rigidly fixed, you'll have to heat the area around the nipple, say to around 400*C
and tap the wrench with a small hammer (just trying to turn the handle won't help, one needs to get shock waves into the threads).

Then of course there's the bulldozer method. Drill the bastards out. Re-thread the holes to metric. This will naturally kill the antique value, but as this piece of iron isn't fetching that much dough anyhow (=rhyme) it wouldn't matter all that much.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2019, 03:59:15 PM »
I do know a Pietta cylinder won't work.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2019, 03:18:49 AM »
No a PIETTA cylinder will NOT work. The one on the cap and ball channel is an UBERTI revolver and he drops the Original cylinder into the Uberti replica and it works. I'm wondering if the reverse is true with an UBERTI cylinder in my original ?

Len, yeah I have not tried removing the original nipples yet. I have a Ted Cash ratchet nipple wrench on route from the U.S. I'm not expecting it for a couple of weeks. So in the meantime I have left the cylinder soaking in 3 in 1 penetrating oil.

I'm not going to force anything as I don't want to do any damage to the original cylinder. So IF I can't get them out I'll buy an UBERTI cylinder and try it.

From the customer comments on Dixie Gunworks it appears they are compatible albeit with some fitting. So for 99€ I'll try one rather than risk damaging the Colt cylinder.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2019, 05:18:13 AM »
I have left the cylinder soaking in 3 in 1 penetrating oil.

I would use Kroil instead.
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