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Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« on: March 04, 2019, 10:25:22 AM »
TODAY, I acquired and ORIGINAL Colt Navy .36 and I mean ORIGINAL. Not been messed with and is mechanically perfect. I'm having trouble posting  ^y%

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2019, 10:30:57 AM »
All matching serial numbers, 12478. The bore has got all it's lands and grooves with the commensurate amount of pitting, the action is perfect. It has got a replica wedge in it at the moment but I have the original wedge as well.

There are two sets of nipples one original and one replacement. I don't know which is in the gun because it was handed to me capped and fully loaded.................Don't ask !

He used it as a shooter and tells me it shoots superbly. The grips and the brasswork are in excellent condition, no chunks out of the grips nor any cracks in them

I have no idea how old it is nor it's ballpark value, some thoughts and observations please gents................Assuming I can upload some photos ?
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2019, 11:17:37 AM »
Very nice!  I can't tell you anything but what I see; the action may be perfect now, but apparently it was not so for a time-- That's probably the most horrific drag line I've ever seen; more of "drag canyon".  Still and all that's a very nice find.  Congratulations.

I look forward to a range report.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2019, 11:47:54 AM »
I wouldn't describe it as a "canyon" as I think it looks worse on the photos than it really is. You can feel it but it isn't deep. An English dealer is selling one, his has the squared trigger guard and other than the score line on the cylinder mine looks better than his, particularly the grips.

https://www.gunstar.co.uk/colt-colt-square-back-trigger-guard-1851-navy-36-revolver/Pistol-Hand-Guns/1036545

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2019, 12:53:02 PM »
Very nice!  I can't tell you anything but what I see; the action may be perfect now, but apparently it was not so for a time-- That's probably the most horrific drag line I've ever seen; more of "drag canyon".  Still and all that's a very nice find.  Congratulations.

I look forward to a range report.

Omni,

It will be a short range report because I just need to empty it. Six shots  :). I don't have any .36 round ball and I'm not going to buy any. The idea being is that I intend to move this along and make a few Euros on it.  Hopefully ?

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2019, 01:59:44 PM »
I didn't mean to make a terribly big deal of the drag line.  Just the inevitable observation in regard to "the action works perfectly".  Just make sure the cylinder turns freely at half cock, with no more of that bolt drag, is all.  And that in turn leads to the next inevitable observation that, if it works perfectly now, then what was done to it to fix the former bolt drag issue, e.g., a new hammer?
OK; well I for one would be interested to know whether it shoots to POA at, say, ten paces.
So you'll be wanting to sell it.  So; how much then?
Thanks for posting.  These things are fascinating.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2019, 02:11:28 PM »
No, no big deal, no offence taken. I asked for thoughts and observations and yours sure was an valid one. Thank you for that. As I say it looks worse on the pics than it is in real life. Yes the cylinder does rotate at half cock perfectly. It may well have been looked at, but it hasn't been "bodged" as we English say nor bastardised.

I'm very curious to see how  it shoots as well. I want to know how old it it is i.e the year of manufacture and a ball park value.

That dealer in England wants 3500 Pounds Sterling for a similar gun. I know that is waaaaay above American prices but I am curious to get a realistic value on it to sell it.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2019, 02:44:04 PM »
Hello Nessie,
nice catch there.
I also at first reacted to the drag line. Comes from a worn down shank of the bolt arm. Can be cured by attaching some more material to the tip of the arm.
Otherwise looks just fine for an original.
 As to £3,500.-, I'm afraid that guy is way out of his depth. If you check out Holts Auctioneers in London, they usually have some Colts up for bidding. I expect yours would end up at around £2,000:- provisions and fees included (my original landed at 1,300.-)
(Just my tuppence)

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2019, 02:48:53 PM »
Nice Colt necessaryevil. Hawg should be along, he can probable tell you. Wonder were he is? Hope he didn't get caught up in those storms they had down there last night.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2019, 03:35:22 PM »
Hello Nessie,
nice catch there.
I also at first reacted to the drag line. Comes from a worn down shank of the bolt arm. Can be cured by attaching some more material to the tip of the arm.
Otherwise looks just fine for an original.
 As to £3,500.-, I'm afraid that guy is way out of his depth. If you check out Holts Auctioneers in London, they usually have some Colts up for bidding. I expect yours would end up at around £2,000:- provisions and fees included (my original landed at 1,300.-)
(Just my tuppence)

Thanks Len, just the sort of information I am looking for.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2019, 03:41:53 PM »
Nice Colt necessaryevil. Hawg should be along, he can probable tell you. Wonder were he is? Hope he didn't get caught up in those storms they had down there last night.

Dellbert

Yeah I hope he is OK too is he in Alabama ? The house next door to me here in Spain is owned by Americans from Alabama. I have been looking at the weather there today. I need to contact them and make sure they are O.K.

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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2019, 04:09:26 PM »
It was made in 1852. I'm fine. I live in Mississippi next door to Alabama. 14 miles from the state line actually.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2019, 04:42:11 PM »
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That dealer in England wants 3500 Pounds Sterling for a similar gun.

Holy smokes!  Yeah; they're being pretty optimistic there, unless that particular gun has some solid and fairly awesome "provenance" to go with it.

I spoke to a customer recently, who had one of a pair of silver platen, engraved Colt SAAs, and the story is, it was given to his grandfather by a judge in Texas who took the pair of them off a condemned cattle rustler, and furthermore that said rustler had stolen them.  It was a gift for helping the judge's son in college.

An original, engraved, silver-plated, black powder framed Colt (and he had the name of the engraver even) in good condition is worth a bundle as it is, but I told him that if he could get the cattle rustling case story (e.g. from a newspaper archive) from that town in Texas, etc., the gun would be worth two or three bundles, so to speak.  Get hold of the one of the two of them, and together they'd be worth a small third world country.

That was his story anyway, and it has at least one little hole in it.  What, for instance, happened to the man the rustler stole the fancy pair of pistols from?  There'd be a whole other story there too, of course, unless the crime for which the ristler was hanged included the murder of the owner of said fancy pistols...  Otherwise you'd think the pistols would have been returned to the rightful owner.  But then I suppose some judge might elect keep them as the "fee" for presiding over the case...seeing as they were so pretty and all...

Anyway, all of that there would be some real "provenance" if verifiable.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2019, 05:44:18 PM »
Buy the gun not the story.
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Re: Colt Navy .36 ORIGINAL
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2019, 02:50:14 AM »
It was made in 1852. I'm fine. I live in Mississippi next door to Alabama. 14 miles from the state line actually.

Thanks Hawg, just what I was after  (T^