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Powder / Re: Powder and static
« Last post by mazo kid on June 19, 2017, 06:30:07 PM »
Yep, I agree! Yes, static can build up high voltage, but it is a "cold" spark. I have both the regular Lyman powder measure and the black powder measure. The only difference is the powder hopper on the BP measure is aluminum. Before I got the BP measure I put a brass hopper on my Lyman measure because of concerns about static, but then I found that I wouldn't have needed to worry about it. The only thing static does is cause powder to cling to the hopper wall and drop tube. Another case of CYA on the part of Lyman.
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Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: Swapping hands.
« Last post by 45 Dragoon on June 19, 2017, 06:26:00 PM »
Yolla,
 The hand spring tension isn't a set poundage. It's usually adjusted to "eliminate throw-by". By "short stroking" the hammer during cycling (stopping before the bolt drops) the hand spring should exert sufficient force to not allow throw-by (cyl. over rotation) to occur. The chamfer is clearance for the next ratchet cutout (makes more sense for a Colt type ratchet).
  Uberti parts are really nice parts (especially the Colt type parts!) compared to Piettas offerings.

Mike
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Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: Bolt hangup Help.
« Last post by Hewy on June 19, 2017, 06:12:13 PM »
Bolt drop... bolt pick up.... gotcha.
Up is up  and down is down. I sometimes  spell phonetically that also gets me trubell , I mean trouble.
Thanks for the education Mike and all yus guys. (T^
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Powder / Re: Powder and static
« Last post by Hawg on June 19, 2017, 05:45:45 PM »
BP isn't affected by static electricity. Heck it's shipped in plastic bottles now. There is or at least was a you tube video of it being tasered.

That was a brave individual. There used to be in-lines that used those little electric sparkers found in lighters.

Maybe the guns just didn't work that well and that's why they aren't around anymore?

Different setup altogether. You have to have heat to set off bp not just a spark. Flintlocks work because the spark is a piece of iron or steel shaved off the frizzen and they are hot.
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Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: Swapping hands.
« Last post by Hawg on June 19, 2017, 05:43:14 PM »
I have a Pietta G&G with a bevel on the hand and if the bevel isn't there it won't go into full cock. That's the only hand spring I've had break in 48 years.
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Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: Bolt hangup Help.
« Last post by 45 Dragoon on June 19, 2017, 05:25:13 PM »
Richard,
 You can't believe everything ya read!! Lol!
 The S&B has two action screws. One for the trigger, one for the bolt (same as the Colt) a nice geometry. The Remie has one for both trigger and bolt (one of its downfalls in my opinion), a harsh geometry.  This is one of the reasons Colt type actions can be easily updated with torsion and coil springs (thank you B.Ruger!)  and given a "Rugeresque" life! The Remie has no room for such and is tied to its flats or (worse) wires!

 I'm not sure any S.A. revolver can be made to feel better than a Colt type action (both tuned to the same numbers).

Oh, no need for any heat treating of bolt arms and such. Slight "tuning" of treated parts/springs is not a problem. Stretching hands may require annealing and rehardening but no need to sweat the small stuff. We're tuning, not treating. If you need to "tune" if further than it will "tune", it's the wrong part (calls for a redesign!! Lol!)

Mike
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Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: Bolt hangup Help.
« Last post by ssb73q on June 19, 2017, 05:07:42 PM »
Hey Richard,
 The Remie type bolt won't work on a Colt type action.


Hi Mike, I understood that the lockworks of the Pietta Spiller & Burr was the same as the Pietta 1858? Guess I can't believe some things posted to the internet.

If Hewy had the skill he could anneal the bolt legs, spread them, then harden them again by reheating to red and quenching in water. Tempering the legs could be difficult without a 650 degree F salt bath. IMO leaving the legs full hard may tear up the hammer cam prematurely.

Regards,
Richard
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Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: Bolt hangup Help.
« Last post by 45 Dragoon on June 19, 2017, 04:41:26 PM »
Hey Richard,
 The Remie type bolt won't work on a Colt type action.

Hewy,
  The very same ones! Lol!

  Going and shooting a revolver that is already showing signs of "trouble" truly is the fastest way to the junk pile! Let's say the arm is slipping off the side of the cam instead of staying on the cam to fall off of the front (like it's supposed to). What you're doing is establishing a wear pattern that may not last 50 shots (thats happened to me with a "new" gun! It happens!). Now, instead of "tightening" up a little play, you'll probably need a bolt, a hammer (because the cam isn't separate any more). That's probably around $60.00-$70.00 ? It'd be cheaper to "spread the arm slightly" (you don't need to "crank" it). It should just have some tension against the hammer when you install it. That doesn't require you to come anywhere close to breaking it.

 I've never known one to "fix itself" , they only get worse. Some faster, some slower,

Mike
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BTW, "bolt drop" is when the bolt pops up against the cyl , ready for lockup. It's called drop because workers hold the revolver upside down to watch where the bolt hits in the approach (groove leading to the notch). What you described is called "bolt pick-up" (the cam "picking up" the bolt arm). Just a little " single action parlance "  .  .  .  .   lol!!
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Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: Bolt hangup Help.
« Last post by Hewy on June 19, 2017, 04:02:33 PM »
The (geniuses at the factory), the same that tighten the nipples beyond what is needed ?
Date code CM still new, maybe I'll go and shoot it more , kinda break it in ........ya think?
At least the grip mod done, makes it feel better in my hand.
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Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: Bolt hangup Help.
« Last post by ssb73q on June 19, 2017, 03:06:41 PM »
Hi Hewy, be careful if trying to spread the bolt legs on a Pietta bolt. One of the bolt legs snaps (breaks) before taking a wider set. Been there done that. Order a new bolt. Did you try the 1858 bolt?

Regards,
Richard

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