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1858 Remington Discussions => 1858 Remington Revolvers => Topic started by: Rev. Mcdirt on May 05, 2015, 02:57:27 PM

Title: cylinders
Post by: Rev. Mcdirt on May 05, 2015, 02:57:27 PM
Hey folks!!!! First of all, thanks for letting an ols dog like me into the fold!!!! I'm sure it'll be a hoot. I have two questions. #1. Will a Pietta cylinder fit an A.S.M frame? And #2. Are the barrel threads common between the two frames?  I called the gunsmith at Dixie Gun works, but alas, he was out o' pocket today.......
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Omnivore on May 05, 2015, 03:45:52 PM
I don't know the answer to either question but;
Welcome to the forum, Rev!
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: mazo kid on May 05, 2015, 06:02:04 PM
Hi Rev. Mac, first off....welcome to the forum! Now, as to your question, I built a '58 snubbie from a new CVA kit. This was assessed on the forum as being made by ASM, but NO stamps anywhere other than CVA. I just went down and tried (again) a Pietta cylinder in the CVA frame and it fits and functions. This is an older CVA. I do not know about barrel threads and didn't want to dismantle 2 revolvers....sorry! M__
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Rev. Mcdirt on May 05, 2015, 11:51:53 PM
Thanks guys...... I'm gonna bend the smith's ear in the morning and maybe find the answers.
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Dellbert on May 06, 2015, 12:42:33 AM
Well welcome to the forum Rev. Mcdirt. (T^
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: West Texan on May 06, 2015, 07:55:06 PM
I have both of those.  The Pietta cylinder is to long to fit in the ASM frame. I have thought of getting a spare Pietta cylinder and have a gun smith face the front to the proper length.
The ASM on the left and Pietta on the right.
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: West Texan on May 06, 2015, 08:24:37 PM
You can really tell the difference as all ASM, ASP, Euroarms, lyman Remington's have trapezoidal cylinder stop slots.  Pietta has rectangle slots.
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Captainkirk on May 06, 2015, 08:27:29 PM
Welcome! I second the opinion that the Pietta cylinders will not fit ASM and vice-versa. I have both (among others) and they do not interchange.
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: mazo kid on May 06, 2015, 09:51:32 PM
So, does that mean that my CVA kit gun is NOT made by ASM as originally thought? Also, originally my Kirst conversion cylinder for the Pietta wouldn't function in the snubbie. After shooting the gun a few times that cylinder now fits and functions! Guess it just needed to settle in.

Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Mad Dog Stafford on May 07, 2015, 06:26:58 AM
Hi Rev. Mcdirt, jump on over to the "Welcome Wagon" and tell us a few things about yourself. How did you find this Great Forum?
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Captainkirk on May 07, 2015, 06:44:43 AM
So, does that mean that my CVA kit gun is NOT made by ASM as originally thought? Also, originally my Kirst conversion cylinder for the Pietta wouldn't function in the snubbie. After shooting the gun a few times that cylinder now fits and functions! Guess it just needed to settle in.

Mazo, I've found a lot of similarity between earlier ASM and ASP firearms. Also, earlier Piettas are different that the newer (post-'90s) versions. Are there any maker's marks on the CVA kit? One I had a while back had no marking other than the ASP "DGG" on the barrel itself
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Rev. Mcdirt on May 07, 2015, 09:16:47 AM
Update to my original post..... Called Deer Creek Products yesterday and procured the last A.S.M cylinder that they had in stock. I am currently keeping vigil over my mailbox, giddy like a schoolgirl!!!! Thanks for your input and again, thanks for having me!!!!
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Captainkirk on May 07, 2015, 11:03:49 AM
Update to my original post..... Called Deer Creek Products yesterday and procured the last A.S.M cylinder that they had in stock. I am currently keeping vigil over my mailbox, giddy like a schoolgirl!!!! Thanks for your input and again, thanks for having me!!!!

Mine came from Deer Creek in the white (unblued) but I used Brownell's OxphoBlue on it for a very close match. And since it went on a brasser you could scarce tell the difference.
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: mazo kid on May 07, 2015, 08:00:19 PM
Capt'n, My cylinder on the snubbie has rectangular bolt notches. The only stamp on the frame is CVA; I'll have to look for the rest of the barrel to check that out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Cylinderrodretainer_zpsf8a90505.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Cylinderrodretainer_zpsf8a90505.jpg.html)
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Captainkirk on May 07, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Hmmm...not much barrel left to check!
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: mike116 on May 07, 2015, 10:46:04 PM
I think Mazo means the part he cut off.
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Remmie58 on May 08, 2015, 12:37:35 AM
Capt'n, My cylinder on the snubbie has rectangular bolt notches. The only stamp on the frame is CVA; I'll have to look for the rest of the barrel to check that out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Cylinderrodretainer_zpsf8a90505.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Cylinderrodretainer_zpsf8a90505.jpg.html)
Wow, what a great little piece! I'd rather have that than the '60 Army snubbie! How long is the barrel? 
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: mazo kid on May 10, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
The cut off part of the barrel has "ey Arms Inc.", the rest is (or was) on the barrel stub in the gun. I did a search of importers but sure didn't find one like that. The barrel stub was filed clean as I remember; I would have to pull the arbor retainer to check for sure. 
Remmie58,  the barrel is 2-1/2" from front of barrel to the front of the cylinder. Make plenty BOOM- SMOKE!
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: AntiqueSledMan on May 10, 2015, 04:07:18 PM
I have a CVA Pocket Remington (Kit) with the ASM markings on the right hand side of the barrel.
I have seen CVA's on Gunbroker with both ASM & Pietta markings.
Attached is a list of cylinders & measurements I started, the year is listed on what I know to be,
Also length, diameter, arbor and bore. Hope this helps.

AntiqueSledMan.
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: mazo kid on May 10, 2015, 04:45:48 PM
Very nice work! That should save a lot of head scratching! {?|
Title: Re: cylinders
Post by: Rev. Mcdirt on May 10, 2015, 08:20:03 PM
The new cylinder arrived yesterday and man am I happy!!!! Blued and clean!!!! Fits and indexes like a charm!!! Now as soon as I get offa my lazy butt and get a photobucket account I'll post some pics..... Happy Mother's Day!!!! Or Muthas day....depending...