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Other Remingtons / Re: Need help identifying revolver
« Last post by Hawg on December 09, 2018, 07:40:07 PM »
GLB made it (Luciano Giacosa) and EIG cutlery imported it. Keep charges under 20 grains because the brass frame can't handle heavier charges. It's a copy of a Schneider & Glassick.
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Other Remingtons / Re: Need help identifying revolver
« Last post by Mad Dog Stafford on December 09, 2018, 07:07:30 PM »
Hi djm1975, jump on over to the "Welcome Wagon" and tell us a few things about yourself.  How did you find this Great Forum?
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Other Remingtons / Need help identifying revolver
« Last post by djm1975 on December 09, 2018, 07:01:45 PM »
Looking to positively ID a revolver that was given to me. Know next to nothing about guns. Would like to know anything/everything about it so whoever ends up with it after me won't have to do this.
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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What's going on today?
« Last post by Hawg on December 09, 2018, 03:55:26 PM »
Still sick here...………..

I think I'm getting older here...…………….

Ya think? )L$
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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What's going on today?
« Last post by Mad Dog Stafford on December 09, 2018, 12:51:12 PM »
Still sick here...………..

I think I'm getting older here...…………….
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Projectiles / Re: 45 sabot, 40 cal bullet
« Last post by Omnivore on December 09, 2018, 11:29:45 AM »
necessaryevil; length for a given weight will of course vary according to bullet shape, composition, and HP cavity volume, but the Hornady 10mm 155 XTP is about .553" in length.

If you're going to use a lead projectile, then by all means use it as full caliber, without the bother, expense, and powder capacity limits, imposed by the sabot.  If for some reason you prefer a smaller diameter bullet and less powder capacity then use a Navy revolver with full caliber, lead projectiles.

The only reason to use the sabot, IMO, is if you have no access to the real thing; soft lead.

In a rifle it's going to be a bit different.  There you're shooting much greater distances, and therefore it may actually behoove you to use a sub caliber bullet so as to improve the ballistic coefficient.  A 300 grain 45 caliber bullet will have greater sectional density, and if the nose shapes are the same it will have a higher BC, compared to a 300 grain bullet in 50 caliber.  So going out of ones way to use a soft lead bullet or a JHP, etc., as sub caliber in a sabot might actually make sense.  Hint; however if that is the case, then what it actually means is; your rifle's bore size is too big for your application.

In the revolver it's a different story.  Shooting distances are much less, and the cylinder limits powder capacity in a way that a rifle barrel does not.

A sub caliber bullet is much longer for a given weight, taking up more chamber space that could be filled with powder, and the sabot takes up even more of that powder space, and we're generally not talking about distances in which the BC is a real factor at all.  Further, as we go down in bullet mass, although generally increasing velocity, we're generally reducing kinetic energy, with some exceptions.  BP and substitute powders, in practically all cases involving a pistol, are more efficient using bullets that are significantly heavier than round ball, 230 and 240 grain bullets in a 44 being close to optimum for KE, from what I've seen in my own limited tests.  Also, a 180 grain bullet can even be faster at the muzzle of an 8" pistol than a 142 grain round ball, all else being equal.

So when we say "improve the performance" we have to be very, very specific.  I don't see an obvious improvement in terminal "performance" on water jugs with the XTP 180/sabot over a cast lead HP of full caliber, AND, the sabot load required a much larger revolver to accommodate the same powder charge used in the smaller and lighter Army pistols loaded with full caliber bullets.

To wit; the sabot/40 cal combo with a 30 grain powder charge required moving up from the Remington Army to the Colt 3rd Dragoon.  A 35 grain charge required the Colt Walker.  The Army chambers with sabot/40 cal max out at around 20 grains of BP.
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Projectiles / Re: 45 sabot, 40 cal bullet
« Last post by Hawg on December 09, 2018, 05:35:14 AM »
I didn't mean I thought the sabot wouldn't go through. I kinda figured the sabot would come off the bullet when it hit the forcing cone but obviously that is not the case.
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Breechloaders / Re: Westley Richards "monkey tail" short rifle
« Last post by Racing on December 09, 2018, 05:16:24 AM »
Right..................Now I get it.

The powder ignites through that hole NOT the primer pocket which is of no consequence. A very clever way of "modernising" it yet keeping it legal. Brilliant.  (T^

Exactly my dear Watson!

Welded up that "pin" to locate the cartridge so the hole lines up with the flame channel. Cutout in the rim of the cartridge makes sure it´s all in phase. Thus it´s not a commercial cartridge either anymore.

Turned out i had been a little less aggressive than needed with bullet jump/lead though as i installed a bullet so i cut the forcing cone a tad deeper still.

That said,we´re ready to rock!  (T^ Time to make up the remaining 94 cartridges and we´re ready to go!
Sry to say tho i came down with a cold yesterday...fever n crap..so it´ll have to wait a couple of days i guess.
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Projectiles / Re: 45 sabot, 40 cal bullet
« Last post by necessaryevil on December 09, 2018, 04:09:23 AM »
For those of us in European countries where these guns are licence free this is a great idea. By that I mean this has the potential to wring every last drop of effectiveness out of 19th century technology for personal defensive use.

I am thinking along the lines of a Remington 1858 or an Army 1860 with these sabots, a .401" soft lead round ball on top of as much Triple 7 as you can fit in the chamber. If necessary to trim the petals ? I would be curious to measure the height of a 155gr .40 calibre hollow point as well. ?
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Breechloaders / Re: Westley Richards "monkey tail" short rifle
« Last post by Capnball on December 09, 2018, 04:05:42 AM »
Vary brilliant!  (T^ You could teach those khyber pass boys a few tricks.
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