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Offline psfal

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Caps jamming action
« on: January 01, 2016, 11:36:33 PM »
I'm having an issue, from day one, of #10 Remington caps jamming up the action in my 1858. I'm told that RWS #10s work better but I can't locate them anywhere, there is no place around here that I've been able to find that has any kind of BP options (Ellis County, Texas)
Cabela's has stuff for primarily inline BP firearms, but only stocks (that I've seen) Remington caps, Gander Mountain doesn't have squat besides for inline BP, and if you ask someone at either about anything BP they give you a dumb look and shrug "I don't know"  (^h. I'm getting a bit irritated about people that sell BP pistols but don't know jack about them. I don't think it's rocket-science to be knowledgeable about the products one sells.
Anyone in my area that knows where BP items are stocked in variety please let me in on the secret.
I've always wanted a BP pistol and I finally got one {?|, I'd like to get to the part where I can enjoy it ASAP because I didn't buy it so I could look at it

Thanks for hearing me out, and Happy New Year! May this year bring more solutions than problems {L*

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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2016, 12:53:20 AM »
My Cabelas sells CCI #10s also, for me they fit my Piettas better than Remington. Some do complain they are too tight, but that's what I like. I load off the gun with a TC capper, push them up with an unsharpened pencil using the rubber eraser end cut off flush with the metal, then seal with blue or silver fingernail polish. Store the cylinder in a blue star ointment jar until used. Works flawlessly for me. Uberti may be different.  (T^
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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2016, 06:36:35 AM »
You can try raising the muzzle some and tilting it to the right as you cock it. That works for colt's when they're jammers.
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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2016, 06:41:27 AM »
As far as not being able to get caps that you want, check out this thread and pick out what caps you want! Haven't updated it since the 21st (probably update it tomorrow,) but won't that much be changed!

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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2016, 07:14:47 AM »
@M9Powell I'm not sure if maybe I was unclear, the #10 Remington caps jam the action AFTER they're fired, it's not the fit, it's the debris getting stuck in the action. Round 6 takes both thumbs to pull the hammer back, and after I have to forcibly rotate the cylinder a few times before the jamming will clear and it will spin without excessive resistance.
Not sure if I was vague in stating my actual issue, I think maybe so.
They fit perfectly when installed and they don't fall off, the fit is good. Oh, and it's an Uberti .44 too, if that makes a difference in function.
I also have a .45LC converstion cylinder that operates flawlessly (this thing really is a sweet shooter) but I bought it to use BP in as originally designed, and that is to be it's use 99.99% of the time
I'll check Cabela's again and see if I missed those CCI caps when I was there last, it's an hour's drive from me...lol, hey I can't find a place here that can claim both a pool table AND a liquor license either, thinking the county has an issue with black powder and billiards both (I moved here in Feb of '15)

@Hawg Thanks for the hint, I'll try out the tilting thing, but tolerating a "jammer" of any kind is not part of my plans, it's an issue I need to resolve, not live with

@old fogey Thanks for the link, only one listing for Texas and it's in Houston (4-6 hour drive), but I'll keep looking. I'll check back with Cabela's and see if I overlooked the CCIs there

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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2016, 07:26:41 AM »
Sorry psfal, should have been more clear - those are all "Mail Order" (or, fer the younger crowd, "Online Retailers")! I.e., all of the companies will ship direct to your door!

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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2016, 08:12:06 AM »
A few things to note here
Over time (50+yr)  cap makers have been using thinner material to make caps from and thus they fragment more easily.

Also nipple makers and cap makers aren't talking to each other about consistent dimensions from one to the other.

I've never really had my 1858's jam. Course those were my old ones I sold last summer  haven't fired my new one enough to know yet.
Your main option would be to try a different brand of cap.
some revolvers come with #10 nipples, but because caps are also inconsistent in sizing, should use a #11 cap 
and vice versa.
Another option is aftermarket nipples by Treso (which I stock) which may give better performance in better fitment and may help eliminate the fragmentation.

Another potential cause of fragmentation is a cap that appears to be all the way down, but isn't really. then when the hammer forces it the rest of the way down, the taper of the nipple acts like a wedge and splits it open, and the explosive force of  detonation fragments it.
Two things to try  aftermarket nipples or a #11 cap versus #10 or a different brand since they are not all the same dimensions.

Mike at goonworks  puts a cap rake pin in colts.  Maybe he or someone else can do the same or similar on a Remmie.

And one last option, some people cut 1/4" lengths of aquarium tubing slip the caps into the tubing and then put it on the nipple.
Or you can buy the commercial product that does the same.
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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2016, 08:20:19 AM »
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Goex doesn't show a listing in Texas, but maybe if you email them and ask they might know of someone

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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2016, 08:32:59 AM »
The Remington already has a cap rake built in. The frame. I don't know where his fragments are jamming the works up, but I doubt it is the hammer area like a cap sucking Colt. Will Pietta nipples fit a Uberti? If I had a Uberti I'd probably convert it too Pietta cylinders.
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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2016, 09:10:03 AM »
Hi psfal, welcome to the group. I have eight 1858s and have never had a cap jam after shooting many thousand rounds using either CCI or Remington caps. Is your revolver a Pietta? Pietta's use #10 caps, Uberti is spec for #11s. IMO if you are using a Pietta 1858 I suggest that you try another can of caps, maybe you have a bad lot of caps.

However, cap sucking is another story for Colts, the smaller the Colt, the more the cap sucking.

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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2016, 09:21:29 AM »
I have cap jams with Remington's just as much as I do Colts which isn't many.
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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2016, 09:27:36 AM »
It's a Uberti & Hawg nice guy that he is, is permanatley intoxicated on Colt royal blue kool-aid IMO. That stuff is addictive & mind altering.  (^h
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2016, 09:37:39 AM »
 A Remington should handle caps much better than a Colt. If it don't, something is wrong. Try # 11s on a Uberti or better yet fit a Pietta cylinder or cylinders in that sucker. You might get enough out of that overpriced Uberti cylinder to buy 2 Piettas.
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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2016, 10:39:51 AM »
The Remington already has a cap rake built in. The frame. I don't know where his fragments are jamming the works up, but I doubt it is the hammer area like a cap sucking Colt. Will Pietta nipples fit a Uberti? If I had a Uberti I'd probably convert it too Pietta cylinders.
No  different thread pitch  unless they have changed recently
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Re: Caps jamming action
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2016, 10:48:45 AM »
It's a Uberti & Hawg nice guy that he is, is permanatley intoxicated on Colt royal blue kool-aid IMO. That stuff is addictive & mind altering.  (^h

Up until recently I had more Remington's. Think they've about evened out now.
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