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Offline mazo kid

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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2018, 05:19:24 PM »
+1 on making your own nipple wrench. Although, after purchasing a gun (new or used) I remove the nipples, apply a smidgeon of anti-seize or grease of your choice, and re-install them, and only remove them seldom thereafter. Those nipple wrenches WILL be needed in removing those nipples the first time.

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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2018, 05:50:10 PM »
Yep, and after the first time simply use a "driver handle" instead of the ratchet, makes quick work of 'em.
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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2018, 08:01:47 AM »
drobs, I must respectfully disagree regarding nipple wrenches.  I've been shooting bp over 50 years and never found a really good commercial nipple wrench.

Save money, never replace your nipple wrench again, make your own.



All good Sir. Those home made ones weren't on my radar.
Any pointers on socket size for Pietta nipples?
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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2018, 08:29:59 AM »
Hi Len; I understand and appreciate your excellent point, and I'm glad you brought it up.
The definition of "Progressive" (upper case "P") however means "incremental" to those at the top of Progressive command and control, (e.g. progressive loading press, or the progressive stages of disease).  And so by “Progressive creep” I'm saying "incremental creep" at the same time as I'm attributing the tactic to a particular movement.  Also it's a double entrende; those Progressive creeps are after us (“creep” in American parlance anyway, also means a surreptitious, licentious, evil person)

Like most evil organizations, Progressives have one face, one language/vernacular for their top insiders, and another face for the brain-washed masses that do their bidding.  "Progressive" is a brilliant choice of a name because it sounds so "nice" or “modern” to the manipulated.

So it is that "Progressive" is a proper definition for the incremental approach to authoritarian take-over, as opposed to the more precipitous, violent type of invasion and revolution (the frog in the pot analogy as a tactic).  Such in fact was the reason they chose the name for the movement.

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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2018, 10:37:38 AM »
drobs, I must respectfully disagree regarding nipple wrenches.  I've been shooting bp over 50 years and never found a really good commercial nipple wrench.

Save money, never replace your nipple wrench again, make your own.



All good Sir. Those home made ones weren't on my radar.
Any pointers on socket size for Pietta nipples?
I also do my own sockets, i.e. I cannibalize Kamaza Tools sockets and use Dremel cutters to get the grip. Kamaza has good chrome-vanadium stuff. Use calipers to get the right measure and try to get the grip as tight as possible. With stuck nipples I make it so tight that I need a mallet to get the socket down.

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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2018, 11:13:39 PM »
Make your own wads.  You don't want to spend 10 cents for a tiny piece of felt with a drop of oil on it.  I make mine out of the gray crates eggs come in at groceries.  Punch them out with a 45 acp case and lube with veg oil.

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2018, 06:38:10 AM »
drobs;

Like Len, I use dial calipers to take the nipple measurement across the flats.  However I don't fit them near as tight.  I simply use a near zero tolerance fit.  I use a Dremel cut off wheel to make the two initial cuts, then hand file to fit.  Entire process may take 5-10 minuets.

Regarding nipple size for the Pietta's, I'm no help, I only have Ubertie's.
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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2018, 11:04:30 AM »
I was trying to remove nipples (boogered) from an original Remington, broke 3 nipple wrenches with only 3 nipples removed. The wrenches were backing off the flats. I made the nipple wrench like Len did....very snug so I had to lightly tap it in place, then put downward pressure while backing the remaining nipples out.

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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2018, 02:46:49 PM »
For future reference.  If nipples are very stuck and before you do any damage; 1- make nipple wrench as above  2-  using scotch bright or sandpaper, scuff the exterior surface of the "nipple wrench" to give it some "tooth" 3-  using a drill press chuck up your nipple wrench  4-  with drill press unplugged, and the cylinder firmly attached to the bed, fit the nipple wrench onto the nipple and turn the chuck by hand while maintaining downward pressure with the press  5-  replace the bad/stuck nipples and go shoot

a lot easier than it sounds and works every time
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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2018, 11:44:41 AM »
For future reference.  If nipples are very stuck and before you do any damage; 1- make nipple wrench as above  2-  using scotch bright or sandpaper, scuff the exterior surface of the "nipple wrench" to give it some "tooth" 3-  using a drill press chuck up your nipple wrench  4-  with drill press unplugged, and the cylinder firmly attached to the bed, fit the nipple wrench onto the nipple and turn the chuck by hand while maintaining downward pressure with the press  5-  replace the bad/stuck nipples and go shoot

a lot easier than it sounds and works every time

Thanks a lot for that advice rdstrain49 !   It works like a charm, just like you said.  I wish that I had read your post and the rest of this thread before I stripped the flats on three nipples.  Fortunately, after making my own nipple wrench like was described by you and others in this thread, and using my drill press just as you described, I was still able to easily remove those three stuck nipples even with their flats buggered, because most nipple wrenches only engage the tops of the flats because their slots are shallow and rounded at the tops, and the wrench I made from a socket went deeper to the undamaged portion of the nipple flats.  Great  knowledge and advice here, as usual.  Thanks again, everyone.

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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2018, 08:04:31 PM »
I've been shooting black powder rifle (.50 CVA Hawken) and a Pietta 1858 .44 for about a year and all of it is still new to me.  I'm beginning to get the rifle dialed in to some pretty good groups and now working on the pistol  It's almost a whole new ball game except when it comes to pulling the trigger.  The fundamentals are the same but, I find it's much more fun than modern stuff ...and I have a lot of experience with that. 

I agree with all of the advice given here.  There is a lot more to black powder shooting than first meets the eye and it is a slow-paced game.  By the time you've fired 10 rounds through a BP revolver, a modern shooter with a cartridge will have gone through half a box of ammo or more.  :)  It's a lot like loading smokeless cartridges on the spot.  You have to be patient if you want to shoot BP guns. 

I use Goex 3F for powder and bought factory made round balls for both in the beginning.  I found the powder and caps through some BP shooters at my gun club and ordered the balls and wads via the web.  However, I did some calculating and found I could save approx. 10 cents+ per ball if I made them myself.  The more you make and shoot the quicker the equipment pays for itself ...like reloading a cartridge caliber.  I've had good luck finding "pure" (95% to 99%) lead on Ebay for $2 per pound or less and 15 lbs will make a LOT of balls or conicals.  I'm looking in to making my own wads too and there's a LOT of info on the web (Utube also) for just about every part of this hobby.  If you're not familiar melting lead and molding bullets, please read everything you can about how to do it safely.  Molten lead can be VERY dangerous. 

I bought a Lee melting pot and Lee molds and made my own round balls for the rifle and they came out quite well so, I bought a couple of molds for the pistol and the round balls have worked out great as well.  I want to mold bullets/conicals for both but, have decided to experiment with the pistol first.  I ordered the 450-200-1R Lee mold and waiting for it to arrive this week. 

For the pistol, I've found that 30 grains of powder under a 1/4" Oxyoke wad, pushing a .454 dia. 140 grain lead round ball from a Lee mold can be pretty accurate at 25 yds (providing I do my part).  It makes a bang big enough to startle everyone else on the firing line and gets lots of comments about the noise and smoke.  :)  (some comments are even positive :) )  I've recently discovered 1/8" wads also and they should come in handy when loading the longer conicals. 

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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2018, 01:36:28 AM »
Rowdyjoe,
You might make your own wads and save yourself some $.

Here's my go at it. There lots of other threads on the subject.
http://1858remington.com/discuss/index.php/topic,11514.0.html
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Re: Outfitting a new pistol
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2018, 11:40:24 AM »
Thanks for the link Drobs.  Great info.  I am leaning strongly toward making my own but, I'm not quite ready to take the plunge.  It doesn't take long to go through a package of wads and I can see the dollar signs floating away with each shot.  :)
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